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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

I Don't Have a Problem with Immigrants, I Just Have a Problem with Illegal Immigration

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This is one of the most common arguments you hear from people who claim to be pro-LEGAL-immigration. Some are just trying not to sound like haters. But there are many who really believe that most of the people who are in the US illegally just were looking to circumvent the rules. This little chart, shown the other day on MSNBC's Rachel Maddow Show, explains the reality.

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  1. Ben's Avatar
    http://thehill.com/video/senate/280739-reid-vows-immigration-reform-will-pass-senate
    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Sunday said that immigration reform was "certainly going to pass" the upper chamber.

    "It has to get done. We have to work hard to get it done," said Reid in an interview aired on ABC's "This Week." "It's really easy to write principles. To write legislation is much harder. And once we write the legislation, then you have to get it passed. But I think things are looking really good.


  2. Jack's Avatar
    "many who really believe that most of the people who are in the US illegally just were looking to circumvent the rules"

    The implication is that you believe that most of the people are in the US illegally by accident, i.e., not "looking to circumvent the rules". First, you have all the people (the majority of the unlawfully present) who fall under "improper entry by alien". Most people know you need permission to reside in the U.S. and thus were looking to circumvent the rules. Of the visa overstay population, I'm guessing the vast majority are aware that the exit date has passed or that their condition for being in the country no longer applies. Thus, they too are knowingly "circumventing the rules".
  3. Jack's Avatar
    A lot of people care about rule of law. Some of those people presumably don't have a strong position on the level of immigration. However, if we suddenly got rid of illegal immigration by repealing the INA, i.e., went to unlimited immigration, I'm guessing a lot of the "I just have a problem with illegal immigration" types would also have a problem with the now all-legal immigration.
  4. George Chell's Avatar
    A lot of people care about rule of law except when it applies to themselves...drunk driving, hit and run, running the red light, not stopping for pedestrians, etc. As far as Americans are concerned law is for someone else, not for themselves.
  5. George Chell's Avatar
    I will support their stance if they do something about legal immigration, ie., skilled immigration. Why do I call these folks bigots? Especially bigots Kirkorian, Camarotta and Stein at CIS and FAIR who have nothing to say about white actors showing up from abroad while there are plenty of Amrican actors white or otherwise, but make a big deal about 600,000 or so H1-Bs present at any one time out of about 6 million jobs available in the area. The reason for the differing response. Most actors coming from abroad or white while most engineers are to use a generic term not white. Elizabeth Cohen had an interesting article asking whether the founding fathers will deport? My answer is yes they will, because they did deport beginning with the Valley of Tears. Racism unfortunately runs through the veins of many of these folks who oppose illegal immigration. I have run into these "we are only against illegal immigrants" bigots all over the world. The primary ones are in the UK conservative party. When they no longer had problems with illegals they go after legal ones including bright skilled people and then wonder why the jobs are going abroad. The leader of this group in the US House is Louis "lamebrained bigot" Bartletta. No bills on legal immigration, no support for skilled migration, no support for even investor visas. The evidence is clear. Then there are people like Goodlate who have supported skilled migration in the past who are harder to pin down.
  6. Backlogged's Avatar
    The chart is pre 2001, atleast for F2A. For F2A, there is no V visa available post 2001 and conveniently forgotten that the spouses/children of perm residents cannot even apply for a tourist visa until close to 2.5-3yrs of waiting for their priority date to be current, USCIS doing its job of clearing their I130 and NVC processing to go right and ofcourse the galactic alignment. But then who worries about LEGAL immigrants anyways!
  7. Another Voice's Avatar
    The point of the chart is that the system is broken, complex, antiquated and inefficient thus it needs to be reformed to reflect the reality of today because it has forced 11 million people to come here or live without status and many others with status are trapped in this nightmare....just singing the rule of law tune is not a fix just sticking your head in the sand and see if it passes or some that are naive believe that ALL these people will magically leave and then try to come back thru the nightmare that the chart exemplifies.....just ask the folks trapped there now.
  8. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    It's funny people don't understand that "I don't have issues with legal immigrants, it's the illegal immigration that is bad" means. It means - I will do everything in my power to minimize opportunities for people to come legally, and when they have no other choice but to come illgally, I will get to feel all superior talking smack about them.

    Any quetions why you, as a legal immigrant, will never get support from this crowd?
  9. Jack's Avatar
    "no other choice but to come illgally"

    There is another choice--respect U.S. law and sovereignty and not enter improperly. Our politicians are in a race to reward these people with instant legal residency while those who follow the rules are stuck outside the country. They insultingly call this insta-residency "back of the line", LOL.
  10. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    Jack, thank you for reminding us that it was you and your ilk who have done everything to get as many people stuck in as long of the line as possible. You are dismissed now.
  11. Another Voice's Avatar
    Precisely because people wamt to respect US sovereignty that the system needs to be reformed....nobody wants to have to choose to be here illegally to put food on the table or be stuck in legal limbo for years. Yet everyone still wants to come to the US and contribute and the US always has benefited from immigrants and still needs immigrants so reform is a WIN WIN.
  12. Jack's Avatar
    It is a sovereign's right to control who enters and resides within its borders. Some of you outright deny that right to limit immigration. Others dance around it by making all kinds of excuses, e.g., complexity, for those who ignore the rules, blaming the system, and acting like we are obligated to make legal immigration so high (or unlimited) so no one will ever be illegal. The overarching theme is zero accountability to law and rights of the sovereign: It's our fault, the system is broken, violators of law are victims, etc. The law says who is supposed to be here but anyone who ignores that should have a right to stay. In other words, not a lot of difference between the outright deniers and the dancers. None, really.
  13. Tobias Nojob's Avatar
    Native American Confronts Protesters on illegal Immigration
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2chIBe2cG7M&feature=youtube_gdata

    Your thoughts Mr. Siskind...definitively, the guy in the video made his case to those protesters.
  14. George Chell's Avatar
    "It is a sovereign's right to control who enters and resides within its borders. Some of you outright deny that right to limit immigration."

    A nation nose deep in right has no sovereignty and no rights to sovereignty. Pay back your debt and we can be arrogant enough to talk about sovereignty.
  15. George Chell's Avatar
    @Jack..start by enforcing the traffic laws first. Americans need to lead by example, then may be others will follow. Otherwise what you are talking about is selective law enforcement and a bunch of drivel based on mythology of an indebted nation which has sovereign rights! You write nonsense as usual!
  16. Another Voice's Avatar
    The US has the right to determine who enters but the current system is flawed and thus is creating a huge problem when it comes to immigration. You can't just sing the souvergnty blues and say ok everyone leave, but I am sure Jack dreams of 12 million getting round up and escorted out of the country. Is a pipe dream Jack is not going to happen, nor would the US government be dumb enough to shot itself in the foot, the economy and world public opinion to please people like you. Got to stop hitting that crack pipe Jack is affecting your thinking.... I am assuming you do still think.
  17. George Chell's Dad's Avatar
    @George Chell:
    Only because I actually "REALLY" liked what Jack wrote -

    1. "@Jack..start by enforcing the traffic laws first." :: Why do traffic laws have to be enforced before immigration laws? By what means do you judge that the only reason why America should enforce its immigration laws is because it has successfully enforced its traffic laws?

    2. "Americans need to lead by example, then may be others will follow." :: America will be leading by example only when it has enforced its own immigration laws. You counter your own argument, George Chell.

    3. "Otherwise what you are talking about is selective law enforcement..." :: Yes, of course. This is a forum about immigration law. Only YOU, George Chell, seem to be interested in confusing the readers here with traffic law enforcement.

    4. "...and a bunch of drivel based on mythology of an indebted nation which has sovereign rights!" :: Huh?? Big words them, big man!! Putting your sentences together, the drivel is yours.

    Mythology? Really?? Do you know what the word even means?

    And an attempt to connect America's debt with its sovereign rights? And then labeling the other one's talk as drivel??

    5. "You write nonsense as usual!" :: Your disrespect for another one's opinion is what prompted me to write the response above. You have information and experience to share with others, and that is appreciated. But don't get so lost in your own arrogance that you outright dismiss what I consider someone's very decent perspective as "nonsense as usual".

    It tells a lot more about you than the guy who wrote the possible "nonsense".
  18. voteCIR's Avatar
    " It's our fault, the system is broken, violators of law are victims, etc. The law says who is supposed to be here but anyone who ignores that should have a right to stay. "

    Jack people are here because employers have hired them. We need a system to discourage and punish employers being party to low wage workers and ignoring federal law.

    Second we need a guest worker program to satisfy needs of these employers in future. We need somebody to pick crops and not demand $100k for picking those crops or else agriculture will disappear just like manufacturing did.

    Third it is impossible to deport 11-20 million hardworking people. What do you suggest we do with them? Let them be exploited and stay in dark shadows? Do you want US to turn into third world country where people can be exploited and harassed?

    What is your solution to problem of worker shortage and present population of illegals?
  19. George Chell's Avatar
    @George Chell's Dad...you really like what George Chell wrote because you are delusional. A nation nose deep in debt has no sovereignty and no rights to sovereignty. When you are heavily mortgaged to the bank try telling the Bank that you own the house and you will be laughed out of town...that is what Jack is telling...and he is delusional and so are you!
  20. George Chell's Avatar
    "Second we need a guest worker program to satisfy needs of these employers in future. We need somebody to pick crops and not demand $100k for picking those crops or else agriculture will disappear just like manufacturing did."

    Interesting Americans will want 100K for picking fruits but will be more than happy to be a slave to Colgan Airlines and earn around $17,000...so wages have nothing to do with it...it all comes down to prestige...even for 100K most white people wont pick fruits and if they live in area with immigrants they wont even clean toilets in public buildings....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/13/buffalo-plane-crash-first_n_202930.html
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