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March 2012 Visa Bulletin Summary

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March Visa Bulletin Summary:


Family 1st - World numbers, China and India advanced five weeks to 01 February 04; 1 and a half week advance for Mexico to 01 May 93; Philippines jumped one month to 22 June 97.


Family 2A - World numbers, China, India, and the Philippines have jumped six weeks to 22 July 09; Mexico advanced three and a half weeks to 01 July 09.


Family 2B - World numbers, China, and India jumped a month to 15 Novemeber 03; Mexico remains stalled at 01 December 92; Philippines advanced five weeks to 08 December 01.


Family 3rd - World numbers, China, and India jumped one month to 01 January 02; one week advance for Mexico to 08 January 93; Philippines stalled at 22 July 92.


Family 4th - World numbers, China, and India jumped one month to 08 October 00; Mexico advanced one week to 22 May 96; Philippines advanced seven weeks to 22 December 88.


 


Employment 1st - still current in all categories. 


Employment 2nd - World numbers, Mexico, and Philippines still current, China and India jumped four months to 01 May 10.


Employment 3rd - World numbers, Mexico, and Philippines advanced three weeks to 15 March 06; China jumped one month to 01 January 05; India moved one week to 22 Aug 02.


Employment 3rd Other Workers - World numbers, Mexico, and Philippines advanced three weeks to 15 March 06; China remains stalled at 22 April 03; one week advance for India to 22 August 02.


Employment 4th - still current in all categories.


Employment 5th - still current in all categories.  


 

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  1. gg's Avatar
    Brown lays out special "White" mat to welcome Irish Immigrants confirming the fact that nationality based discrimination is the cornerstone of US Immigration laws !!! ( This is in addition to the 50,000 diversity visas annually , which were specially created to favor Irish immigrants during the first 10 yrs )

    http://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2012/02/scott-brown-pushes-irish-immigration-bill/Lhhdp3dmq18sUJxZL5mnBN/index.html
  2. Marcela's Avatar
    I think there is typo on "Family 1st - World numbers, China and India" and should be "01 February 05" instead of "01 February 04" (http://travel.state.gov/visa/bulletin/bulletin_5664.html)
  3. George Chell's Avatar
    Diversity laws and Brown proposals are a desparate attempt to keep this country majority white...postponing the inevitable. They are being helped by African American women who would rather remain single than marry someone from Africa and bring them and their families to this country!
  4. JoeF's Avatar
    "Brown lays out special "White" mat to welcome Irish Immigrants confirming the fact that nationality based discrimination is the cornerstone of US Immigration laws !!!"

    And the HR3012 supporters have no problem with having such an amendment, thereby confirming that HR3012 was never about getting rid of the country quotas, but rather about screwing one group of immigrants for the benefits of another.
    What we need instead of HR3012 is a bill to increase the quotas and take dependents out of the quotas. That would help everybody. But alas, one particular group wants to push HR3012 through, no matter the cost.
  5. Another Voice's Avatar
    UNRELATED

    LOL!! I guess these idiots shot first and asked questions later....

    Georgia Senate to feds: Give us more farm workers

    http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2012/02/09/georgia-senate-to-feds-give-us-more.html
  6. RR's Avatar
    @JoeF
    What we also need is a world without hunger,poverty, war and disease. But until that happens, we'll just have to deal with it the way it is, won't we?

    Let everyone know when a bill to increase quotas and discounting dependents ever comes up for discussion and possible passage through congress, and we'll throw our full support behind it. Until then, give it a rest.

    BTW, I see you repeating the same story in every immigration forum. That HR3012 supporters are hypocrites to support the Irish E3 amendment. I see 2 issues with that. Firstly, you are not comparing apples to apples when equating E3 visas to green cards. Secondly, and this is the big one, if HR3012 supporters are hypocrites because they are supporting a provision based of country of origin, what does that make you when you want to preserve status quo, based precisely on said country of origin?

    Hello Mr, Kettle, this is Pot, you are black.

  7. George Chell's Avatar
    "What we need instead of HR3012 is a bill to increase the quotas and take dependents out of the quotas. That would help everybody. But alas, one particular group wants to push HR3012 through, no matter the cost."

    What we need is visas awarded based on merit and jobs awarded on the basis of merit irrespective of citizenship.

  8. gg's Avatar
    @Joef, if you look at the bigger picture hr3012 is not a real game changer especially because its going to be phased in over several years and the low demand nationalities are still going to benefit during this period. However everyone has to agree that the current backlogs for high demand countries is unacceptable. If this situation continues an immigrant from Europe can come to the US complete his education, get married and have kids and send them to school and those kids can complete their education and start working ,while the immigrant who came from India or China would be still waiting in line for a green card as the waiting time has now reached over 70yrs. If the status quo continues most of these immigrants will never see a green card in their lives.
  9. JoeF's Avatar
    "@Joef, if you look at the bigger picture hr3012 is not a real game changer especially because its going to be phased in over several years and the low demand nationalities are still going to benefit during this period."

    Well, first off, a lot of the HR3012 supporters think they would get current immediately. So, there already is a lack of understanding of the bill there.
    Second, HR3012 retroactively changes things. That's actually one of my main issues with it. ROW people did nothing wrong, yet they would get punished if HR3012 passes. That is just plain wrong, no matter what spin is put on it.
  10. JoeF's Avatar
    @RR: "What we also need is a world without hunger,poverty, war and disease. But until that happens, we'll just have to deal with it the way it is, won't we?"

    And you are ok with punishing people who have done nothing wrong? You are ok with screwing one set of people for the benefit of another?
    HR3012 is a bad bill, and should not become law. It is that simple. It doesn't solve anything, it only makes things worse.
    In your analogy, it would be like pushing more people into hunger, poverty, and disease.
  11. RR's Avatar
    @JoeF
    "HR3012 is a bad bill, and should not become law."

    Yes, I am familiar with your official slogan, I see it on all immigration fora.

    So I guess you so are convinced that the current situation is all hunky-dory for everyone, huh? I'd like to be a fly on the wall when you try and explain to an EB3I person with a PD in 2002, how he is screwing an EB3ROW person with a PD in 2007, since, as you say "they did nothing wrong". Right, and the EB3IC folks were getting all sorts of mischief, weren't they?

    If you are not convinced that the present situation is good, then I fail to see the reason for your opposition. You say the proposal is bad, yet you don't actually know that. since it's been never implemented. All you keep doing is spouting a lot of utopian BS that's never going to materialize. I can only conclude that you are opposed to 3012, just so ROW doesn't have to wait a bit longer. If you are going to use my analogy, it's kinda like the 1% pushing the middle class and the poor further into economic doldrums so that they can have an even bigger piece of the pie. Who is pushing who into poverty again?

    And here is something else to think about. You seem to have no problems preaching Indians to wait. ROWers wont die waiting for a couple more years. I know this for a fact, since no Indians died waiting, as far as I know. You don't think ROW is strong enough?
  12. JoeF's Avatar
    @RR: "Yes, I am familiar with your official slogan, I see it on all immigration fora."

    It seems you confuse me with somebody else. I concentrate my posts on a few forums (I am using the English plural here, not the Latin plural..., it is forums in English...)
    I deliberately avoid forums where insults etc. are rampant, e.g., Trackitt.
    And I suggest you stop using strawmen...

    HR3012 is bad because it takes from A to give to B. That is unacceptable. A did nothing wrong. B did nothing wrong, either.
    But B abuses the excuse that B has to wait longer than A to rob A. Fix the long wait for B without victimizing A.
    B being a victim of long wait times does not give B the right to now victimize A.
    You seem to be ok with A being a victim, as long as B isn't anymore. Unlike you, I want neither A nor B being a victim.
  13. Simply sick of waiting's Avatar
    "HR3012 is bad because it takes from A to give to B. That is unacceptable. A did nothing wrong. B did nothing wrong, either.
    But B abuses the excuse that B has to wait longer than A to rob A. Fix the long wait for B without victimizing A.
    B being a victim of long wait times does not give B the right to now victimize A.
    You seem to be ok with A being a victim, as long as B isn't anymore. Unlike you, I want neither A nor B being a victim. "

    Your logic really does not make sense. You want to tell B (who has the same qualification as A and works on a similar job) that he have to wait longer (maybe decades) because he happened to born in the wrong country? And A should be ahead of B in the line because he was not born in certain country?
  14. Paul Wilson's Avatar
    >> You want to tell B (who has the same qualification as A and works on a similar job) that he have to wait longer (maybe decades) because he happened to born in the wrong country? And A should be ahead of B in the line because he was not born in certain country?


    Yes. You got it correctly---we are basically trying to milk a squirrel---and you, sir, are a genius. Now please go back to Trackitt to enlighten everybody else too. They've been confused for so long, but now that you've seen the light, you have to share it.

    >
  15. Simply sick of waiting's Avatar
    "Yes. You got it correctly---we are basically trying to milk a squirrel---and you, sir, are a genius. Now please go back to Trackitt to enlighten everybody else too. They've been confused for so long, but now that you've seen the light, you have to share it."

    I got it right? What a relief. Yes sir, I, your humble disciple will spread your gospel around that people are doomed because of where they are born. They will be judged not based on their qualification or performance, but solely based on where they are born.(Paul's testimony 3:12)
  16. JoeF's Avatar
    "ou want to tell B (who has the same qualification as A and works on a similar job) that he have to wait longer"

    Sigh. When will you guys understand it?
    No, I don't want to tell B that he has to wait longer. I want BOTH A and B to wait less.
    But it is completely unacceptable to tell A that he now has to wait longer because B is a victim of the long waits.

    "And A should be ahead of B in the line because he was not born in certain country?"
    Another strawman argument.
    A did not do anything wrong. That A's wait time is currently shorter is not A's fault. Punishing A for being born in a country that happens to have less wait time is immoral.
    Again and again, and again, I want A AND B to wait less. Please get that into your head. A can not be punished for being born in a certain country, the same B can not be punished for being born in another country. Quite frankly, it is despicable to try to play A against B, and to justify HR3012 by the long wait times for B. This "we waited long enough, now the others can wait" may be all the rage on Trackitt, but it is fundamentally wrong.
    Once more, A did nothing wrong. And pushing A to the back of the line just because A happened to be born in some country that doesn't have the long lines is immoral.
  17. JoeF's Avatar
    "What we need is visas awarded based on merit and jobs awarded on the basis of merit irrespective of citizenship."

    I would prefer that. It is essentially the Canadian system. Unfortunately, I doubt that we will have such a change here anytime soon. Instead, we may get fundamentally wrong laws like HR3012, with more quotas, this time for Irish, attached to it...

  18. gg's Avatar
    "B being a victim of long wait times does not give B the right to now victimize A"

    Passage of HR3012 is Congress way of saying .. both A & B go to L .

  19. JoeF's Avatar
    "Passage of HR3012 is Congress way of saying .. both A & B go to L ."

    No, it is saying "A gets punished for being in ROW."
    HR3012 wouldn't do much for the EB3-India/China backlogs. Simple math. But it would result in a significant backlog increase for ROW. Again, simple math.
    And that means that A gets punished. A did nothing wrong, so punishing A is immoral.
    Again, A is innocent. A did nothing wrong. Punishing A is immoral. Telling A to go to the back of the line just because A was not born in India or China is immoral.
    There are other ways to decrease the backlog, ways that don't involve punishing innocent people.
  20. RR's Avatar
    @JoeF

    Yes, I am sure "JoeF" doesn't go on any other immigration forums. You could have fooled me.

    "Unlike you, I want neither A nor B being a victim."

    And since that pipe dream is never going to come true, I do support making everyone share the same pain - alleviating the pain of many by spreading the same pain to some. The greatest good of the greatest number. Actual wars have been fought on the principle, don't you agree? Just spouting something again and again when you know it will never happen doesn't solve anything. Your preference is to keep your advantage by preserving status quo.

    And if, you are, as you claim, a champion of not screwing people already in the queue, I'll say you should be the biggest supporter of the EB3IC folks by embracing HR3012, as it tries to heal the wounds left by previous wrongs. Are you a supporter of the EB3IC folks with PDs prior to PERM program launch? Because I think they got screwed when they were shunted sideways into Backlog Elimination Centers and left to rot for years, while others, going through the PERM process, breezed through. Did you support them when the spillover rules were changed? Because I think they got screwed then too.

    By your own logic, shouldn't you be the first and loudest to proclaim your support for those EB3IC folks who got screwed previously, whom HR3012 is going to primarily help?
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