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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

What Would Reagan Do?

Rating: 5 votes, 5.00 average.

Daniel Griswold of the Cato Institute makes the case in the National Review that real conservatives are pro-immigration:



In April 1980, when Ronald Reagan was competing in the presidential primaries, he rejected the building of a wall between the United States and Mexico: "Rather than talking about putting up a fence, why don't we work out some recognition of our mutual problems? Make it possible for them to come here legally with a work permit -- and then while they're working and earning here, they pay taxes here. And when they want to go back, they can go back. And open the border both ways by understanding their problems."


If a Republican presidential candidate said such a thing today, he or she would suffer withering criticism for being soft on illegal immigration. Instead, we hear Reagan's successors talk about implementing national ID cards, imposing intrusive regulations on the labor market, raiding farms, factories, and restaurants, and harassing small-business owners trying to survive in this tough economy, all in the name of chasing away hard-working immigrants.


In the past two decades, spending on border enforcement has skyrocketed more than six-fold, and personnel at the border five-fold. Yet the mantra of many Republicans has been to throw more money at the problem while rejecting any fundamental reform of the immigration system itself.


The predominant GOP view on immigration is not only bad policy but also bad politics. Hispanics are now the largest minority group and the fastest-growing voting bloc. Ronald Reagan understood, as did George W. Bush, that millions of Hispanics are friendly to the Republican message of entrepreneurship, opportunity, and family values. The demeaning rhetoric about unauthorized immigrant workers that emanates from the right is interpreted by many Hispanic citizens as a putdown of their culture. Republicans thus risk alienating potential Hispanic supporters, as well as more moderate non-Hispanic voters. With the long-term demographic changes already in motion, an anti-immigration Republican party will find it more and more difficult to win elections.



He concludes aptly stating



Spending billions more each year to enforce a fundamentally unenforceable law is not the conservative answer to illegal immigration. Immigration law needs to be changed in a way that better serves our economic needs, protects our security, and affirms our best values as a nation.



Somehow the Tea Party xenophobes have hijacked the GOP. Glad to see some real conservatives are fighting to reclaim the pro-immigration mantle.

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  1. Another Voice's Avatar
    "Somehow the Tea Party xenophobes have hijacked the GOP. Glad to see some real conservatives are fighting to reclaim the pro-immigration mantle."

    Jack I think they are talking about you here....you tell them!!!!
  2. George Chell's Avatar
    Jack will come close to a xenophobe because he is anti-immigration not just anti-illegal immigration. Actually I am glad that there are plenty of illegal immigrants for these xenophobes to kick around..sorry if I am sounding cruel. If they dont have too many illegals, the human nature will be to go after legal immigration. That is what is happening in the UK and that is one of the reasons for the destruction of the UK economy. That is what happened in Singapore last year and that is why economic growth has collapsed from 14% in 2010 to 5% in 2011 to a predicted growth of 1%-3% or even a recession in 2012. All this talk about overcrowding and immigrants are to blame is nothing but environmental racism. If that were true Singapore and Hong Kong will be the most polluted countries while Belarus and Russia will be the least. The opposite is true! People who use environment to hide their bigoted anti-immigration views are not environmentalist but bigots be it Stanton or Stein at FAIR or Kirkorian or Camarotta or Jessica Vaughn at CIS.
  3. George Chell's Avatar
    They could not tell the difference between a black and a Hispanic? I expect these of the idiots and thugs who run the Maricopa County Sheriff's office led by the bigot Arapio who only thinks in terms of white and non-white...perhaps the thugs who inhabit the county and keep re-electing him. I expect better from the Texans although their prosecutors and judges have a criminal tendency of railroading innocent citizens!
  4. Jack's Avatar
    What Would Reagan Do? Hopefully learn from his mistake. One of which is that a verification system dependent on the judgment and good faith of hirers combined with inadequate and sometimes completely unenforced penalties = epic fail.


    "In the past two decades, spending on border enforcement has skyrocketed more than six-fold, and personnel at the border five-fold."

    What general anti-enforcements who make that argument don't mention is that this is the case for border de-emphasis and shifting toward a policy of disincentives. The problem with achieving that politically is that once you get a certain concentration of illegal immigration, the laws passed are all to provide incentives to be present unlawfully. Every California law recently passed which deals with illegal immigration makes it easier, not harder. Republicans in other states are attempting to pass and implement deterrent policies while they still can.

    From a civil liberties perspective, disincentive policy is the way to go too. If we had effective deterrence policy which resulted in a much lower number of illegal aliens, then maybe law enforcement would be less likely to presume a Latino as being illegally present. With effective deterrent policy, there would be less of a perceived need for police-based laws. These are the type of laws which run the risk of abuse. Mandatory screening laws can be applied without putting the judgment (and biases) of street level officers into play. The problem is that many of the so-called civil libertarians are simply anti-enforcement period and thus oppose the preferable enforcement options from a civil liberties perspective. Ironically, their total opposition forces the riskier form of enforcement on us.


    "If conservatives are worried about social spending on immigrants, their aim should be to wall off the welfare state"

    Good luck with that. And how does our current immigration policy further that goal? If you mostly let in natural Democrats (the poor), that will create demand for MORE welfare.


    "millions of Hispanics are friendly to the Republican message of entrepreneurship, opportunity, and family values."

    They may be friendly to that philosophical message but they tilt poor which makes them more friendly to the Democratic message of welfare and benefits. No matter how open borders the Republicans might become, they won't be able to compete with that which is why a Republican might conclude that their best political bet is to limit illegal immigration. A Democrat might conclude that their best political bet is to promote illegal immigration.
  5. Jack's Avatar
    "fundamentally unenforceable law"

    Other countries do. If they can, why can't we? There are all kinds of ways to enforce this law, most of which we've never even tried. Until we try them, unenforceable is just the claim of a Cato ideologue who doesn't even want to try.
  6. Another Voice's Avatar
    BIG NEWS!!!

    Obama rule would let undocumented stay in U.S. during application

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-immigration-regulation-20120105,0,2762934.story
  7. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    "Other countries do. If they can, why can't we? There are all kinds of ways to enforce this law, most of which we've never even tried. Until we try them, unenforceable is just the claim of a Cato ideologue who doesn't even want to try. "

    Yes, Jack, there are a lot of ways to enforce stupid laws that you can borrow from the East Germany. They managed to seal the border, did not they?
  8. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    AV - This is good news, but the headline and message of the story is a little deceptive. We've actually known for a while that USCIS was going to move waiver adjudications to inside the US - probably more for efficiency's sake than with the intention of helping immigrants. Note that you don't have a legal status while the waiver is pending and it is possible one could be put in deportation proceedings and removed from the US while they're waiting (though that might be less likely because of the prosecutorial discretion changes). It does make it less risky for people who have paths to permanent residency available to pursue them, however, and that's very good news. It really does nothing for those who lack such a path, however, such as many or most of the potential DREAM Act beneficiaries.
  9. gg's Avatar
    Easier Route to Green Card to Be Proposed for Some

    Obama administration officials announced on Friday that they will propose a fix to a notorious snag in immigration law that will spare hundreds of thousands of American citizens from prolonged separations from immigrant spouses and children.

    Read more ...


    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/07/us/path-to-green-card-for-illegal-immigrant-family-members-of-americans.html
  10. Another Voice's Avatar
    Thanks for the explanation Greg, in the current climate some help is better that the status quo I guess....
  11. George Chell's Avatar
    "Yes, Jack, there are a lot of ways to enforce stupid laws that you can borrow from the East Germany. They managed to seal the border, did not they?"

    Yes. Jack is sounding more and more like a commie pinko as are many Republicans!

  12. George Chell's Avatar
    "Other countries do. If they can, why can't we? There are all kinds of ways to enforce this law, most of which we've never even tried. Until we try them, unenforceable is just the claim of a Cato ideologue who doesn't even want to try."

    Other countries have loads of money..Singapore, Hong Kong and China. Unless the Fed continues to print money or the government wants to steal money we dont have the money to enforce the so-called law. We need priorities. Arrest murderers, criminals and rapists first instead of going after a non-criminal illegal. I wont pay more taxes to enforce a law that will cost more and more just to keep this country white!

  13. Another Voice's Avatar
    "I wont pay more taxes to enforce a law that will cost more and more just to keep this country white!"


    WOW Jack people are discovering your true colors you better go back to the FAIR blog and post there instead!!!
  14. Another Voice's Avatar
    USCIS Announces Its Intent to Implement Stateside Processing of Unlawful Presence Waivers
    http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=38111
  15. Don Miller's Avatar
    Once again, the "open-borders" gang distorts the facts. First...opponents of immigration are not necessarily inimical to "latino culture". The use of the terms "latino" or "hispanic" are yet additional attempts to confuse the issue. The issue is simply that the vast majority of immigrants, illegal or otherwise, are from one country, Mexico. No one I know is opposed to Mexican culture, in fact, Mexicans are totally welcome to their culture...in Mexico. They do not have a right to establish that culture in someone else's country, any more than does, say, a bunch of Frenchmen have that right in Mexico. Just as the citizens of any other nation in the world, Americans want, and have every right to have, their own culture, their own language, their own customs, in their own country.
    Second: what is the common culture and immigration interest among Cubans, Puertoricans, and Mexicans? All are conveniently labeled "latinos" or "hispanics", but other than the language, what is there in common? Puertorricans have no immigration problems, being US citizens. Cubans are under a totally different immigration program, controlled largely by Cuba. Are we to believe that those two groups really want the country to be swamped by Mexicans? I doubt it. Yet these are the three main largest groups of Latin Americans residing in the US. This problem is entirely a Mexican problem and has to be treated as such.
    Where is there a country, a people, anywhere in the world, which welcomes unlimited numbers of totally different aliens into its towns and cities, its schools, its hospitals and, let us not forget, its prisons, as you insist that Americans welcome Mexicans? History is replete with stories of native resistance to foreign invaders, including the native Indian population right here in this hemisphere. we glorify the three hundred year-long struggle of the Indians against the European invaders, yet when Americans restst invasion from Mexico, it becomes an unspeakable "crime against humanity"! Americans and Mexicans differ more from each other than Vikings did from Englishmen or French do from Germans, yet those resistances are thought of as "heroic". Why is our resistance considered evil? Lots of hypocrisy here, in my opinion.
  16. George Chell's Avatar
    "we glorify the three hundred year-long struggle of the Indians against the European invaders, yet when WHITE PEOPLE restst invasion from Mexico, it becomes an unspeakable "crime against humanity"!"

    What you sow you reap, as the Bible says. Natives resisted the whites. The whites killed them. Now, whites are facing a similar predicament. They can resist all they want. But, in the end everyone has to pay for their crimes...whether you like it or not through immigration and inter-marriages whites will become a minority in this country and it will accelerate because of the country's indebtedness. A country nose deep in debt has no sovereignty or no right to sovereignty. It is like me being heavily mortgaged and complaining that the Bank is coming to seize my house because I cant pay off the mortgage (debt) quickly! You commit a crime you pay the price. What goes around comes around!
  17. George Chell's Avatar
    "WOW Jack people are discovering your true colors you better go back to the FAIR blog and post there instead!!!"

    Jack did not write it. I did. Do you even understand what it means. Jack and Don Miller want to keep this country white. As far as I am concerned, I am not willing to pay for keeping this country white. That is what it means. Of course people like Miller also want to enforce the law to keep this country white but I am sure they dont want to pay taxes for it.
  18. Richard Y.'s Avatar
    Any sane persons will say no borders can save anyone from global competition. Why so many Americans believe in politicians that sell xenophobia ideology while they outsource so many jobs overseas like those Republicans fat cats to get votes ?
    Japan or Hongkong may have strict immigration laws but they won't shield nor stop Japanese and Hongkong companies to invest in Vietnam, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Cambodia etc. If manufacturers can't survive with high labor costs then they will outsource the production to where ever they're cheaper or use robots to replace expensive manual labor. Like it or not. It's the reality of life.
  19. George Chell's Avatar
    Richard Y:

    That is why Japan has been stagnant for two decades and the UK is heading in that direction!
  20. George Chell's Avatar
    "The undisputed historical facts are that the country we call the United States was settled, developed, bled for on several occasions, and indeed, built for the first 300 years of its existence almost entirely due to the efforts and sacrifice of paople from north-western Europe. For many years, on limited occasions, immigrants from other parts of Europe were admitted. People like you may not like it, but that's the way it is! In even simpler terms...if I build my house, on my land, and I live in it and care for it, and after me my descendents live in it, neither you or anyone else, no matter how much you may want to or how much "better" your life would be, has any right to move into my house and start living there! Can you get your mind around that? If Americans do not want Mexicans (or anyone else) to invade their country and set up housekeeping there, that is their right!"

    By killing the original inhabitiants. If a criminal enters your house and kills your family, and is wounded in the process, the house does not belong to you. You will be grabbed by the police, tried in a court of law and executed. The same way for communities. What the Europeans did was invade someone else's house which did not belong to them. Killed its inhabitants and were wounded in the process and now they say that they shed blood. And one more thing..while they were invading someone else's home, they also invaded other homes far away, took its inhabitants and brought them to work insomeone else's home they took free of charge. So stop the BS and stop insulting people's intelligence.

    What goes around comes around. If you commit a crime you pay. First there was a crime of slavery and invading someone else's home. Then you borrow from a third party and run up your debt and now you claim the home belongs to you...it does not. Pay up your debt and may be the world will consider your claims. Until the country pays up its debt it has no sovereignty and no rights to one.

    Get that in your thick skull!
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