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Juan Williams: Luis Gutierrez Best Member of Congress for 2011

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The Fox News commentator has written a column for The Hill praising the Illinois Congressman for leading congressional delegations to protest immigration laws in Alabama, South Carolina and Georgia and for acting as a gadfly to the White House in order to force it to keep its commitment to dealing with immigration reform.

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  1. Jack's Avatar
    "the Obama administration's strict new deportation guidelines for the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency."

    What? Google "Morton memo", Juan. You have it backward.



    "the Alabama law prohibits any illegal immigrant from receiving public services, including education."

    Wow, where do you get your information, Juan? If you're going to sanctimoniously lecture us on immigration, at least get your facts straight.


    "He's as close as the Latino community has to a Martin Luther King figure."

    If laughter isn't keeping you from thinking, notice what Sharry let's slip here: Gutierrez is about a particular ethnicity (regardless of nationality) as opposed to the *real* Civil Rights Movement which was about more than race and was a benefit to *all* Americans. I won't get into the distinction between existing rights denied citizens in their own country vs. non-existent rights demanded by foreign nationals who choose to be illegally present in a country not even their own.

    Is Gutierrez's "cause" that a law should not apply because most of those in violation of it happen to be of a particular ethnicity--his? That's not exactly moral high ground (some would call it vile). When a non-Latino argues that immigration law is inherently unjust, it's a very minority opinion but at least is free of glaring in-group bias so it's not as annoying of a moral lecture. They might think what they do regardless of who is mostly violating the law. Of course, they might also be a self-serving opportunist with bias of a different sort as opposed to a "pure" ideologue.
  2. Limbo's Avatar
    Too bad Gutierrez lost credibility by rubber stamping HR3012 through the house. Why should EB immigrants from ROW and Philippines support the dream act, or anything else he puts forward after he threw us under the bus? But then why would he care? We're just fodder to be trampled on since we have no voice.
  3. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    "I won't get into the distinction between existing rights denied citizens in their own country vs. non-existent rights demanded by foreign nationals who choose to be illegally present in a country not even their own."

    How about you do? Where in Constitution does it say that those present illegally don't have rights - all rights, certain rights, any kind of rights? Where is the distinction? We know where the Constitution talks about citizens, and we know that a non-citizen cannot be elected to certain positions. However, this is not what immgrants are asking for, right? So, make your point, Jack, take it away.
  4. Sa's Avatar
    "Too bad Gutierrez lost credibility by rubber stamping HR3012 through the house. Why should EB immigrants from ROW and Philippines support the dream act, or anything else he puts forward after he threw us under the bus? But then why would he care? We're just fodder to be trampled on since we have no voice."

    He supported it because its the right thing to do. If you want to oppose the dream act because of Gutierrez's support of 3012 , You are more than welcome to do. Looks like most of the ROW people don't have a problem to quote "the research" done by FAIR. EB3Row(EB2 row is current and they dont care about anything as long as they stay current ) is an insignificant group in the whole immigration thing.
  5. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    Sa, you realize that your argument goes both ways, right? EB3 ROW maybe insignificant in the big picture, and so is the whole EB category compared to illegal immgration. Next time you whine that bills to help illegal immgrants are getting attention - right back at you - your category is not that significant in the big schema of things.
  6. Sa's Avatar
    "Sa, you realize that your argument goes both ways, right? EB3 ROW maybe insignificant in the big picture, and so is the whole EB category compared to illegal immgration. Next time you whine that bills to help illegal immgrants are getting attention - right back at you - your category is not that significant in the big schema of things.
    "

    Of course , I am nothing compared to the long line of immigrants waiting in family lines as well as close to 20 million undocumented(no one knows how many are present ) out of which close 18 million were brought as children to this country and all of them want to go to college or service in military.


    Guess what , I know that my life is not that bad compared to lot of people with papers and without papers, I get that .

    I don't have anything against dream act in principle as long as it does not give any special privileges to "Dreamers".

    I just don't like the fact the Durbin hates legal immigration and legal immigrants that are not from Mexico.

    Only a squeaky wheel gets grease.
  7. Sa's Avatar
    "Sa, you realize that your argument goes both ways, right? EB3 ROW maybe insignificant in the big picture, and so is the whole EB category compared to illegal immgration. Next time you whine that bills to help illegal immgrants are getting attention - right back at you - your category is not that significant in the big schema of things."

    And Guess what , I will get my residency before the Dream act gets anywhere near any presidents desk anytime soon. . I will go back happily if I have to so lets not make it personal. The issue is not how I feel. I am sympathetic to these people plight as long as they and their supporters ( Durbin etc.) dont want to eat me alive.
  8. Limbo's Avatar
    "He supported it because its the right thing to do."

    You're joking right? He supported it because HR3012 would have raised the FB cap to 15%. Do you really think he cares about EB3 India? He was happy to give other groups of immigrants the shaft to get a small benefit for immigrants from Mexico. That's what our congress has become, a bunch of politicians that push a purely self serving agenda for some special interest.
  9. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    Sa, you are being ridiculous. That usually does not help with being taken seriously.
  10. Sa's Avatar
    "Sa, you are being ridiculous. That usually does not help with being taken seriously."

    So are your childish and unprovoked taunts directed at me . I really don't care if you take me seriously or not.
  11. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    "And Guess what , I will get my residency before the Dream act gets anywhere near any presidents desk anytime soon. "

    All you care is yourself. We get it.
  12. Sa's Avatar
    "You're joking right? He supported it because HR3012 would have raised the FB cap to 15%. Do you really think he cares about EB3 India? He was happy to give other groups of immigrants the shaft to get a small benefit for immigrants from Mexico. That's what our congress has become, a bunch of politicians that push a purely self serving agenda for some special interest."

    What is a "special interest" , As long as its not your own interest.

    Thats how the legislation works , give and take. 3012 is more or less dead.

    I think its time for ROWERS and others to work on a bill that is "fair" for everyone and increases numbers for all the categories and includes Dream and Ag-Jobs , Irish visa etc .
  13. Sa's Avatar
    "All you care is yourself. We get it. "

    Of course , I care about myself first , So are most of the people on the planet. So is Hispanic Caucus .
  14. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    There is caring about yourself frist, and there is rubbing it into the faces of the less fortunate. You are doing the second. Why so much need to feel more superior?
  15. Sa's Avatar
    "There is caring about yourself frist, and there is rubbing it into the faces of the less fortunate. You are doing the second. Why so much need to feel more superior?"

    That is your assumption that I feel superior. If you feel that way , I cannot help it.

  16. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    "Why so much need to feel more superior?"

    That is your assumption that I feel superior. If you feel that way , I cannot help it. "

    Holly a Freudian slip... There is difference between feeling superior and having a NEED to feel superior, aka needing validation. Those are the opposites of each other.

    Your comment about you getting a green card before some much-much less fortunate get anything - and SMILING about it (as in enjoying it) - says it all. And it's quite creepy.
  17. Sa's Avatar
    "Holly a Freudian slip... There is difference between feeling superior and having a NEED to feel superior, aka needing validation. Those are the opposites of each other.

    Your comment about you getting a green card before some much-much less fortunate get anything - and SMILING about it (as in enjoying it) - says it all. And it's quite creepy."

    You started it by taunting me and you seem to be a good mind reader

    Much creepier thing is getting kids to USA undocumented and using them as tools to get residency or using some suicides to push the Dream act.
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