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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

Trust, But Not E-Verify

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Stuart Anderson at the National Foundation for American Policy makes the case against the Smith E-Verify bill. Some in the business community are backing the bill as the lesser evil compared to having different laws across the country and the possibility of an even worse bill passing that doesn't address various business concerns. A tough call whether its more of a gamble to back Smith's bill or oppose it. But everyone in the pro-immigration community would agree that unless we get a guest worker program and deal with the illegally present population already here, an E-Verify only bill is not going to do much to solve our immigration mess.

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  1. Jack's Avatar


    Anderson writes:

    Previous "enforcement only" measures
    in 1986, 1996, and in recent years have been followed by increases, not decreases, in illegal immigration.

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    1986 was an "enforcement only" measure? It contained an amnesty. So amnesty was followed by increases in illegal immigration. Also, we have never had an employment ID verification requirement (such as E-Verify). Under E-Verify, you can't be approved for employment with an SSN which doesn't match the name. Simpson-Mazzoli is entirely dependent on the judgment of the employer as to whether ID presented is authentic. This created a convenient excuse for bad faith employers and uncertainty for good faith ones. Assuming that E-Verify would fail because the '86 hiring scheme failed is a weak case against E-Verify because it's an entirely different scheme than the one created in the Simpson-Mazzoli Act.

    A legitimate criticism of E-Verify is the vulnerability to ID theft. Some who condone illegal hiring went along with Simpson-Mazzoli because they knew it would do little to stop it. Maybe those who want a verification system to fail shouldn't be bringing up the ID theft flaw in E-Verify. That flaw can be fixed and it's in their interest that it not be fixed prior to implementation.
  2. Jim's Avatar
    I definitely agree with the notion that E-verify is a lesser evil and a necessary evil as that. At least in my humble opinion.

    However, I also agree that it needs to be paired with some piece-meal immigration reforms.

    It won't pass if not attached with some piece-meal immigration reforms. Pres.Obama would simply veto an E-verify only bill if it even passes the Senate.

    Watched his speech (Pres. Obama) the other day over CNBC and I like it that Steve Grasso was able to pick up the immigration reform bill that Pres.Obama mentioned and Grasso even commented that he thinks immigration is the "Silver Bullet" that will save the housing and the economy as a whole.

  3. Apacha's Avatar
    "Obama mentioned and Grasso even commented that he thinks immigration is the "Silver Bullet" that will save the housing and the economy as a whole." Bang on target!!!
    Finally they realize the true potential and benefits of a fair immigration reform! It has been 2 yrs since the recession ended, where have we reached...it is high time that someone thinks like this and does something that is a win-win situation for all!!!
  4. Another Voice's Avatar
    They will never be satisfied as long as the deport them all agenda continues to be alive.... Enforcement only measures will continue to pass or try to be pass as pretext to continue to move up the posts. Regardless of what passes they can continue to look back and say see the 12 million are still here we need to do more.....

    Unless they deal with the issue that they do not want to deal with is never going to be solved, and around we go in the never ending circle of immigration, like a dog chasing it's own tail.
  5. gg's Avatar
    Trust, But Not E-Verify , all the existing employees and completely ban agriculture sector from participating in the e-verify system. This is Mr lamar smiths plan to create another slave population to satisfy his business friends. Shameless guy is openly saying its ok to have undocumented slave labor in agricultre sector. Lamar's plan intentionally tries to push more slaves deep in the shadows where they can be abused by employers at will.
  6. Jack's Avatar
    "Pres.Obama would simply veto an E-verify only bill if it even passes the Senate."

    I don't see how he could. All it does is detect fake ID's. What possible explanation could he give?


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    "...completely ban agriculture sector from participating in the e-verify system. This is Mr lamar smiths plan to create another slave population to satisfy his business friends."

    The slave population already exists so it's more like ensuring its continuation. As much as I abhor slavery, if we just gave them legal cover to hire whomever they want (legal or illegal) in order to get all but a few percent under verification it arguably would be worth it. The open border lobby would also lose the "fruit rotting on the vine"/"$10 head of lettuce"-type scare tactics and could no longer misleadingly tie all illegal hiring to the tiny portion of the illegal population that picks crops. It would also eliminate the case for the AgJobs amnesty.


  7. gg's Avatar
    Mr Lamar Smith cannot pick and choose how he wants to implement e-verify while calling it mandatory at the same time. By grandfathering existing employees into the system without any checks he is giving an open invitation for unscrupulous employers
    to abuse their employees. This law if it were to pass will attract all kinds of court challenges
  8. Jim's Avatar
    "I don't see how he could. All it does is detect fake ID's. What possible explanation could he give?"

    Explanation? Any politician can make-up an explanation specially someone like Pres. Obama.
  9. USC's Avatar
    "All it does is detect fake ID's."

    Oh, it is more than that. It creates a National ID by mandating that in order to get a job you need a Federal Government Franchisee (one of the 50 States) to issue you a Drivers License/State ID card. It makes no exceptions for substituting an alternate ID (Military can use their US Goverment issued ID and American Indians can use their Nation's IDs). Look at Greg's summary, requirements under Schedule C:

    http://blogs.ilw.com/gregsiskind/2011/06/section-by-section-summary-of-legal-workforce-act.html

  10. Another Voice's Avatar
    "The open border lobby would also lose the "fruit rotting on the vine"/"$10 head of lettuce"-type scare tactics and could no longer misleadingly tie all illegal hiring to the tiny portion of the illegal population that picks crops. It would also eliminate the case for the AgJobs amnesty."

    tell that to the folks in GA, with their recent "your papers please law" they created 11,000 job openings.... Yet still no Americans would take those jobs with a 10% unemployment rate in GA. Their bright idea!!! probationers, they only problem is that only 2000 could qualify but can not be forced into working the fields...oh yeah and only 8 took the jobs and quit by mid afternoon. So supply and demand economics as foreign as it may sound to you Jack, it actually does affect prices, the GA folks lost all 2010 crop loses are expected to be in the millions. Do not take my word for it as scare tactic the numbers are being reported in the papers... So you deport them all agenda is baring some fruit and rising prices in this economy BRILLIANT!!!!
  11. US Visa Extension's Avatar
    Obama said enforcing tough security, a pathway toward US citizenship and a system that holds employers accountable for the immigrant workers they hire are all important steps toward fixing the nation's "broken" immigration system. In particular, Obama said E-Verify - an online system that allows employers to quickly verify the citizenship status of a potential worker - needs to have safeguards put in place to protect individuals from being mistakenly identified as an illegal immigrant.
  12. Apacha!!'s Avatar
    @visa extension - we all know what Obama said. What is your point!
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