ILW.COM - the immigration portal Immigration Daily

Home Page


Immigration Daily

Archives

Processing times

Immigration forms

Discussion board

Resources

Blogs

Twitter feed

Immigrant Nation

Attorney2Attorney

CLE Workshops

Immigration books

Advertise on ILW

VIP Network

EB-5

移民日报

About ILW.COM

Connect to us

Make us Homepage

Questions/Comments


SUBSCRIBE

Immigration Daily


Chinese Immig. Daily




The leading
immigration law
publisher - over
50000 pages of
free information!
Copyright
1995-
ILW.COM,
American
Immigration LLC.

View RSS Feed

Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

In Defense of the Lottery

Rating: 7 votes, 4.43 average.

I've always had mixed feelings about the annual green card lottery. On the one hand, shouldn't our green card numbers be going to high priority family and employment categories that are backlogged as opposed to people who randomly are selected and may have few skills to offer and aren't reuniting with family here? 


Political scientist Yascha Mounk makes the case for keeping the lottery, however, in an opinion piece in today's New York Times.


 

Submit "In Defense of the Lottery" to Facebook Submit "In Defense of the Lottery" to Twitter Submit "In Defense of the Lottery" to Google Submit "In Defense of the Lottery" to StumbleUpon Submit "In Defense of the Lottery" to Reddit Submit "In Defense of the Lottery" to Digg Submit "In Defense of the Lottery" to del.icio.us

Tags: None Add / Edit Tags

Comments

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
  1. Ska's Avatar
    Sure, keep the lottery. Even better, why not make everything a lottery? According to the author, that is the "shrewd" way to go. Are you kidding me? The whole American dream is based on "If you work hard for it, you can get it".

    Curse me for having born in India, and worse for coming here in the first place. Forget that I play by the rules and have lived in the US for the last decade. And I am still waiting. Wait a minute, it is not the system. It is my luck!
  2. AP's Avatar
    Agree with Ska 1000%.
    I personally know people who cannot even speak English properly and have gotten their green cards. And with regards to diversity, I see plenty of that nationality - i believe not being qualified and unable to speak proper english is the diversity that is getting them here. Some are not even qualified to wait tables. While people with Masters are waiting in line for years. Pretty sure someone in this blog will comment that we deserve this! Do we??
  3. Adi's Avatar
    "United States to honor a history of open immigration that lasted until the late 19th century, and win over hearts and minds along the way."

    The only point I could see in favor of lottery was to win heart and minds. Let me know how this system is working wonders in winning hearts and minds of people from Arab world, especially Pakistan.
  4. George Chell's Avatar
    The only reason to keep the lottery is to desparately try and maintain the current demographic status quo and delay the invevitable!
  5. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    I only know two people who came through lottery, and both are excellent professionals with advance degrees. On the other side, I have met quite a few EB applicants who could not speak or write in proper English. I think Greg's message has been lost here - yes, some people are luckier than others, but it does not mean they have taken away from others.
  6. Sid's Avatar
    I don't know if DOS already does that, but it would be useful to keep track of how people admitted through the diversity program are doing 5/10 years later. What is their median income, English skills, dependency on welfare, etc.? If it turns out that most of them are struggling to adjust to life in the US, maybe the program should be re-evaluated.

    The other question is if the US wants to be a more diverse country through immigration, is it a good idea to let millions of people from one country to cross the south border? IMO, the goals of diversity and legalization are at odds with each other.
  7. ahjkll's Avatar
    "some people are luckier than others, but it does not mean they have taken away from others".. aaha knew this sort of response would come...

    in my opinion, this is actually discrimination to other qualified candidates with much "diverse" talents who committed the crime of being born in a different country. wouldn't want to explain further so as to give you the opportunity to be sarcastic towards the plight of the people who are still waiting in line!!!
  8. F's Avatar
    "I only know two people who came through lottery, and both are excellent professionals with advance degrees. On the other side, I have met quite a few EB applicants who could not speak or write in proper English. I think Greg's message has been lost here - yes, some people are luckier than others, but it does not mean they have taken away from others."

    Most of the "diversity winners" I came across are from Pakistand and Bangladesh and they all drive taxis .



    This particular author talks about how Germany is under represented in immigration , Its just laughable . They ( Western Europeans) had exclusive rights to immigration for centuries .




    "The other question is if the US wants to be a more diverse country through immigration, is it a good idea to let millions of people from one country to cross the south border? IMO, the goals of diversity and legalization are at odds with each other."

    Exactly , If diversity is so important , Why every amnesty bill has specific exemption from numerical limits including so called wet Dream of Durbin .
  9. Paul's Avatar
    This is a bit of a misguided article from a privileged non-immigrant whose only merit is having been lucky enough to get admitted to Harvard. I wonder why he was considered any authority on the question to have his opinion published. This person has never been a real immigrant, has never waited for H-1B visas and EB backlogs and has not idea about the issues he talks about. While I agree that the lottery shouldn't be abolished, I simply find the viewpoint that this "bueraucratic" mistake should be just let go (because "mistakes always happen") a bit disingenuous, especially when articulated from an obvious position of privilege.
  10. USC's Avatar
    "This is a bit of a misguided article from a privileged non-immigrant whose only merit is having been lucky enough to get admitted to Harvard."

    You do not get into Harvard based on luck.
  11. Frank W.'s Avatar
    Sid states the following
    "The other question is if the US wants to be a more diverse country through immigration, is it a good idea to let millions of people from one country to cross the south border? IMO, the goals of diversity and legalization are at odds with each other."

    Sid, where are you from?

    Wondering how many years this individual has been living in the Untied States (apparently not too many based on his senseless comments). Seems that Sid is a H-1 visa holder who doesn't like the idea that undocumented immigrants (mainly from Mexico) do not represent the idea that he has about "diversity." Perhaps his ignorance is caused by working in a comfortable office and getting paid a salary that in most instances is below the average made by a US Citizen with the same qualifications - wondering about the feelings of those Americans toward their foreign competitors.

    What he fails to realize is that if this cheap labor did not exist, he wouldn't be able to purchase food from the grocery store at reasonable prices and perhaps, the H-1 program itself could have never been envisioned....need some lessons of micro and macroeconomics? Shame that a foreigner like him who supposedly has a decent education posts such incoherency.

    Enroll in a community college and take some lessons of US History (that should be a mandatory requirement for any skilled immigrant moving to this country).

  12. K's Avatar
    "Enroll in a community college and take some lessons of US History (that should be a mandatory requirement for any skilled immigrant moving to this country)."

    I am not sure if CHC would like this for legalization(amnesty) programs.
  13. Another Voice's Avatar
    I know 3 people that won the lottery(one of the won twice!!0 they seem to have assimilated well and are happily achieving their american dream!!
  14. gg's Avatar

    1 in 3 illegal immigrants crossing southern border from india.

    http://insightcrime.org/media/k2/items/cache/b6004aaf43dbcfb743aa1b54a758f57d_XL.jpg


    http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/graficos/pdf11/ruta_migrantes.pdf
  15. Frank W.'s Avatar
    An undeniable fact: retired American are moving and settling in Mexico. The ongoing economic upheaval is inviting hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of retirees to take such logical step (cost of living in the south is really affordable compared to American standards)...reverse migration at its best!

    Guess what segment of the US population government will need to adjust their legal status (to become taxable individuals) in order to help paying the costs related to these retirees...any educated ideas?

    Retirement in Mexico
    Why, Where, and How North Americans Relocate

    Information for those who wish to retire in Mexico

    1. Depending on the retiree's plans for staying in Mexico, there are different visa procedures. For someone looking to stay in Mexico for a short period, a tourist visa (FM-T) is easy to obtain. It is valid for up to six months but does not grant work status.

    2. Rentista is a non-working visa available only to retirees aged 51 or older. Applications for rentista status must be accompanied by a letter from a bank, social security agency, or financial institution, certifying that the applicant receives a certain minimum monthly income.

    3. Foreigners who have lived in the country for five years are eligible to become permanent residents and acquire most of the rights and obligations of a Mexican national. The change to permanent resident status is not automatic and is subject to the guidelines of Mexico's Immigration and Naturalization Service.

    4. Owning or renting a home in Mexico is relatively easy. Foreigners can buy directly in any area that is not near the coast or the border. If the property is within 60 miles of the border or 30 miles of the coast, non-Mexicans are required to purchase through a fideicomiso (beneficial trust).

    5. Medical benefits stop at the border, so it is advised that Canadian and American retirees in Mexico buy health insurance. In general, the quality of healthcare in Mexico is very good. Hospitals, both private and public, are usually easily accessible and well equipped.

    6. Retirees also have the option of signing up for the medical IMSS plan (Mexican Social Security). It costs approximately $200 a year and covers medical, dental, and vision care.

    7. Another healthcare alternative is to buy a private insurance policy in Mexico that covers major medical expenses.

    8. Generally speaking, there is no need to have a car in Mexico; public transportation is affordable and reliable."

    Read the entire article here:
    http://www.transitionsabroad.com/publications/magazine/0405/retirement_in_mexico.shtml
  16. George Chell's Avatar
    How dare this guy ask Americans to take jobs in China and lower the Chinese wages (based on Jack's and other antis logic!!)

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/go-to-china-young-scientist/2011/05/19/AFCY227G_story.html
  17. Sid's Avatar
    Nice try gg!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States#Present-day_countries_of_origin

    I must warn you that some antis might use your example to extrapolate that 100% of Mexicans are liars.

    Another Voice! That's awesome! I'm sure that we can extrapolate your experience with 3 DV lottery winners to the 50K who are admitted every year.
  18. gg's Avatar

    uptick in illegal migration from india -- fast forward to 1:27:000

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SBorder


    obama dispatches janet napalitano to india

    http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_670662.html
  19. Frank W.'s Avatar
    Ripley's Believe It or Not!
    Sid, the H-1 visa holder from India appears to carry "serious" grievances against undocumented Mexicans...amazing, entertaining, enlightening!!!

    The best cure for Sid's ludicrousness is to go to a genuine Mexican restaurant and order some chicken enchiladas (better than chicken curry salad, at least this is the opinion of the author of this comment), then he will realize the complexities and paradoxes of the system...definitively, this Indian guy is just a newcomer, thus his ignorance and obtuseness are understandable up to certain point.


  20. Paul's Avatar
    >>> You do not get into Harvard based on luck.

    As somebody who graduated from Harvard and has two degrees from there, I can tell you that it does take some skills and strong qualifications, but there are hundreds of thousands of exceptional people who have those, and at the bottom of it, who gets in and who doesn't is basically a numbers game.
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Put Free Immigration Law Headlines On Your Website

Immigration Daily: the news source for legal professionals. Free! Join 35000+ readers Enter your email address here: