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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

PRESIDENT PUSHES DREAM, STEM IMMIGRATION REFORM IN STATE OF THE UNION

Rating: 10 votes, 5.00 average.

Here's what the POTUS had to say:



Today, there are hundreds of thousands of students excelling in our schools who are not American citizens. Some are the children of undocumented workers, who had nothing to do with the actions of their parents. They grew up as Americans and pledge allegiance to our flag, and yet live every day with the threat of deportation. Others come here from abroad to study in our colleges and universities. But as soon as they obtain advanced degrees, we send them back home to compete against us. It makes no sense.


Now, I strongly believe that we should take on, once and for all, the issue of illegal immigration. I am prepared to work with Republicans and Democrats to protect our borders, enforce our laws and address the millions of undocumented workers who are now living in the shadows. I know that debate will be difficult and take time. But tonight, let's agree to make that effort. And let's stop expelling talented, responsible young people who can staff our research labs, start new businesses, and further enrich this nation.



A couple of thoughts. I've always felt that the best way to achieve immigration legislation is not to try and evoke sympathy for the immigrant or to somehow say that the proposed beneficiaries of reform somehow deserve a break. The better strategy is to stress why it is in the interest of Americans to support a measure. The President did that by making it clear that we are investing in both groups - foreign students and potential DREAM Act beneficiaries - and when we force them to leave the country, we are throwing that investment down the drain.


I also found it significant that the President did not speak of comprehensive immigration reform. Instead, he mentioned two smaller measures that probably could be achieved. I think this probably marks the official end of the failed comprehensive immigration reform strategy. It was a great idea - put everything in one package that would deal with all aspects of the flawed system and bring on allies supporting a range of pieces of the bill in order to form a more powerful coalition. Unfortunately, it made it easier for anti-immigration groups to fight the bill as there was just one target. And it has meant that no positive immigration legislation has passed in the seven years since the legislative strategy was introduced.


Now we return to piecemeal legislating. Smaller bills that make incremental changes and hopefully we can move the system in a way that evolves toward something that makes sense for the country.

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  1. George Chell's Avatar
    Japan: no increase in skilled migration or educaiton spending..the result: 0% growth rate.

    The UK: cuts in education spending and caps on skilled migration...the result: nearing a double dip recession!

    The US: cuts in education spending but no increase in skilled migration: growth rate of around 3%.

    Australia and Canada: increase in education expenditures but not increase in skilled immigration: growth rate of around 4% expected.

    Singapore and Hong Kong: increase in education and spending and skilled immigration...a growth rate of 10% +.

    Need I say more!

  2. My 2 cents's Avatar
    Greg, What are the chances of piecemeal legislation? I don't see anything significant on that front either.
  3. Adi's Avatar
    More of lip service if you ask me. Anyway atleast someone in Nashville is talking sense.

    http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/news/2011/01/26/panel-discusses-immigration-reform.html

    "Panelist Ralph Schultz, president of the Nashville Chamber of Commerce, said Arizona-style legislation would be detrimental to work force development and international trade efforts in Tennessee.

    Schultz cited a recent study that found Nashville would have shortage of 24,000 workers by 2019."
  4. Another Voice's Avatar
    I agree with your assessment Greg, however I honestly believe that he was just covering his bases by mentioning something immigration. He knows the republicans will never go along with anything other than enforcement only. I think that he has a better shot at doing anything immigration, if he is successful in 2012 and somehow changes the current composition of the congress to a more favorable one. Trying to do immigration in this congress would mean a way water down reform and a steeper climb for all immigrants of all status, which is what the republicans would ask for in exchange for support....I say wait for a better opportunity if it comes after 2012. If they take a bad deal to do DREAM right now they will be forced to take an even worst deal on the 12 million.....
  5. Sad state of affairs's Avatar
    Greg, since you speak of piece meal legislations, how realistic is it? would the powerful Hispanic lobby every allow it? fully knowing that they would lose a major bargaining chip if it went piecemeal, your highly respected opinion please?
  6. Jim's Avatar
    This is another nail to the coffin of CIR. Can't believe though that some people still can't see all the writing in blood in the wall. With that attitude nothing will get done.


  7. GG's Avatar
    Obama Immigration Push Surprises, Pleases CHC Members

    http://www.rollcall.com/news/-202815-1.html
  8. Sg's Avatar
    @Another Voice,
    Whem Dems had the house and the senate before the nov elections, they failed miserably to pass any sort of immigration legislation. Waiting for 2012, then 2014 and then 2016 is rightly called kicking the can down the road. Every single year there will be something important according to the congress to push immigration refrom down the queue. How long will the people, who are humans, wait. Immigrants are sick n tired of hearing the same BS for years. This is high time the congress works together and does something meaningful, otherwise it is a complete waste of the public'c money and trust.
  9. The Truth and nothing but the Truth's Avatar
    Those of you who have any hopes, nows the chance to LEAVE IT.

    NOTHING is going to happen, the Teabaggers HAVE THE HOUSE, they will pass NO IMMIGRATION BILL.

    So Obama can say anything, BUT HE WILL NEVER GET THE HOUSE FROM THE TEABAGGERS

    I am sorry, for sounding like a party ****er but thats the truth, the faster we accept it the better it is for our mental health.
  10. Jack's Avatar
    "Others come here from abroad to study in our colleges and universities. But as soon as they obtain advanced degrees, we send them back home to compete against us. It makes no sense."

    No matter how accomodating immigration policy is, more and more will strongly consider going home as living conditions in their home countries rise. There's been numerous articles about this.


    "Meanwhile, nations like China and India realized that with some changes of their own, they could compete in this new world. And so they started educating their children earlier and longer, with greater emphasis on math and science."

    "The competition for jobs is real."

    "We're the home to the world's best colleges and universities, where more students come to study than any place on Earth."

    "We know what it takes to compete for the jobs and industries of our time. We need to out-innovate, out-educate, and out-build the rest of the world."


    So if we are in competition with the rest of the world and education is key, why give so many of their citizens the educational tools to clean our clock? If Obama doesn't want to send people back home to "compete against us", then we shouldn't bring in so many in the first place unless you know ahead of time which ones will stay and which ones will go home. Since no one knows this ahead of time, "it makes no sense" arguably applies to our current foreign education policy (if you accept Obama's premise that foreign competitors should not be aided).
  11. Another Voice's Avatar
    "Whem Dems had the house and the senate before the nov elections, they failed miserably to pass any sort of immigration legislation."
    You are absolutely right but he did every single other thing on his to do list he had promised on the campaign, given that the to do list for a second term would leave immigration at the top of the list or pretty close to it. There is also les political risk to do it on his second term because he can not run for another term.
    "Waiting for 2012, then 2014 and then 2016 is rightly called kicking the can down the road. Every single year there will be something important according to the congress to push immigration refrom down the queue. How long will the people, who are humans, wait."
    Waiting for a better deal instead of taking a bad deal is smarter, we are stuck with the status quo as long as the republicans control the house, why take a bad deal now to force the issue.
    "Immigrants are sick n tired of hearing the same BS for years. This is high time the congress works together and does something meaningful, otherwise it is a complete waste of the public'c money and trust"

    Completely agree but as you can see reality is quite different from what would be "ideal". Since we have to live in reality then making these folks agree to do immigration is no easy task. If you can get congress to help the 9/11 responders until the 11th hour, imagine how much they care to help a bunch of immigrants.
  12. Frank W.'s Avatar
    What's all the uproar?

    In times of crisis there will always be a scapegoat for all the problems of this nation (in this case undocumented immigrants). Besides that, the American populace is so ignorant and easy to manipulate by members of Congress while dealing with the immigration dilemma: a clever way to keep ordinary Americans distracted from issues that really matter (i.e. the impending collapse of the American economy).

    Remember that congressmen only represent the interests of the people who financed their campaigns, more specifically banks.

    THE COLLAPSE OF THE US DOLLAR
    Illegal immigration as a "controversial" issue will disappear as soon as the national economy collapses, essentially the demise of the US Dollar as the world's reserve currency and the emergence of a new monetary system - JUST AROUND THE CORNER.

    This scenario will facilitate the socio-judicial-economic integration of the North American states (Canada, US and Mexico); therefore, undocumented Mexicans and/or Canadians living in the United States -approximately 25 million individuals- won't have the necessity of adjusting their legal status since they will be able to work in the US with their current national documents.

    Consequently, the remaining undocumented aliens from countries outside this de facto union (about 5 million) will become the target of any sort of legislation dealing with immigration reform (easy to pass without too much drama).

    Moreover, due to National Security concerns, President Obama will simply issue an executive order giving some sort of legal status and/or protection to millions of undocumented immigrants based on certain requirements and/or prerequisites (most likely a work permit that can be renewed indefinitely possibly including a mandatory service in the Armed Forces).

    This event will take place PRETTY SOON since Barack Obama can now assert that US Congress is incapable of passing some sort of legislation dealing with a comprehensive immigration reform and NATIONAL SECURITY demands concrete results.

    For those who believe this scenario is unlikely to occur, educate yourselves about Title 50 of the United States Code (War and National Defense).
  13. gg's Avatar
    jack, the president also said this

    "Many people watching tonight can probably remember a time when finding a good job meant showing up at a nearby factory or a business downtown. You didn't always need a degree, and your competition was pretty much limited to your neighbors. If you worked hard, chances are you'd have a job for life, with a decent paycheck and good benefits and the occasional promotion"

    This is a fact and no one can disagree. People got jobs with minimum education or no education just because they are US citizens.

    One of my friend who works in HR once told me how difficult it is for them to hire US citizens. Though they advertise for university degree holders they are happy to find US citizens to have attended school or completed a certificate from a community college. I believe most of the people who are not finding jobs these days belong to this group. Times have changed and showing up for interviews is working no more.
  14. My 2 cents's Avatar
    Social security to run dry by 2037. Continue with the restrictionist immigration policy & it will be 10 years sooner!!

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/social_security
  15. Rajani's Avatar
    I feel that the three important legislation they could bring are:

    1) Dream Act (with certain clauses acceptable to both Rep
    and Dem
    2) Recapture certain number (200,000 to 500,000 whichever is
    acceptable to both political parties) and issue green cards
    to those who are legally present in USA. This will make them
    to do investment, thus creating new jobs and also stary buy
    homes and the market will go up. This will also streamline
    the broken immigration system the certain extent. I do not
    think either of the parties will disagree with this unless
    they are looking on a legislation to send back those legally
    present in US as well.
    3) Pass the long awaited Nurse/PT bill similar to the one
    Mr. Wexler had introduced last year. Number of RNs taking
    NCLEX RN exam has drastically reduced and even if a bill is
    passed many RNs will need to re-take the English test to get
    their Visa Screen renewed. In other words even if the US
    Govt. is looking to get some international RNs in 2012 this
    will not be possible unless a legislation is passed in 2011.
    RNs whose documents have reached even the Consulate will
    not be issued visa unless they obtain a renewal of visa
    screen certificate after clearing English Test.

    If none the above are possible or acceptable to politicians, at least pass a biss banning immigration to USA for next five years or for a period the political parties feel comfortable so that those who are in USA waiting for green card and abroad awaiting the visa numbers can forget about USA for ever and everyone will be happy.


  16. USC's Avatar
    "So if we are in competition with the rest of the world and education is key, why give so many of their citizens the educational tools to clean our clock? If Obama doesn't want to send people back home to "compete against us", then we shouldn't bring in so many in the first place unless you know ahead of time which ones will stay and which ones will go home."

    Speak for yourself and not for me. You should amend your post to say "clean my clock?" I like competition and am delighted to compete against one and all since competition makes me a better person both professionally and otherwise.

    Also, obviously since you are not Happy, which one are you then?


  17. Another Voice's Avatar
    Here comes GA now....

    Court challenge predicted for Arizona-style bill aimed at illegal immigration

    Peachtree City lawmaker is proposing bill in Georgia

    http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/court-challenge-predicted-for-816347.html
  18. George Chell's Avatar
    "So if we are in competition with the rest of the world and education is key, why give so many of their citizens the educational tools to clean our clock? If Obama doesn't want to send people back home to "compete against us", then we shouldn't bring in so many in the first place unless you know ahead of time which ones will stay and which ones will go home. Since no one knows this ahead of time, "it makes no sense" arguably applies to our current foreign education policy (if you accept Obama's premise that foreign competitors should not be aided)."

    Do you have TARP money to bail out universities which are suffering from budget cuts? Do you want another million or two unemployed? Will you bail out colleges and universities in the event of bankruptcy? See you never make any sense.
  19. George Chell's Avatar
    "Speak for yourself and not for me. You should amend your post to say "clean my clock?" I like competition and am delighted to compete against one and all since competition makes me a better person both professionally and otherwise.

    Also, obviously since you are not Happy, which one are you then?"

    Even as we commemorate the 25th anniversary of the Challenger ?Disaster tomorrow, we have to emphasize that the events of January 28, 1986, noon eastern time is indeed Jack's vision for America! Jack wants an America filled with space shuttles Challenger, and Columbia disasters, Minneapolis Bridge Collapse and of course the New Orleans Levy collapse due to incompetent American Army Corp of Engineers (most of whom were quacks and had no engineering degree at all)...which resulted in the deaths of thousands barely five years ago! That is fine with him. He would also like to see the seniors dead..with fewer doctors and nurses who are paid twice the salary they are paide today...that is his rationale for arguing against foreign talent. This nonsense has been argued in most countries including Singapore, Australia and the UK..nothing new there!

  20. George Chell's Avatar
    Jack needs to stand in front of the legislatures protesting education cuts which are screwing Americans. Without foreign students budgets will be deeper in the red....

    http://media.www.gwhatchet.com/media/storage/paper332/news/2010/12/06/News/Foreign.Gw.Students.Boost.Economy-3964943.shtml

    I am pretty sure Jack is like FAIR and CIS which have nothing to say when the budgets are being cut but will complain when foreigners get hired...of course, they have nothing to say if jobs move abroad as well...which makes me question their motives...

    Dont see people like Jack and folks from CIS and FAIR protesting these budget cuts...

    http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/article_790c2692-29b1-11e0-9307-001cc4c002e0.html

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-26/nevada-governor-suggests-school-funding-cuts.html

    http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=79280

    http://www.lvbusinesspress.com/articles/2011/01/24/news/iq_41424285.txt

    Will Jack shell out the money to make up for the cuts, so that the in-state tuition will not increase and we can train more Americans and be less dependent on foreign students? Will he put his money (if he has some to spare?) where his mouth is.

    http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/education/article_d83d072a-2444-11e0-ac24-001cc4c002e0.html

    In addition we alse depend on foreign corporations to fund universitiess which means they may have a say in who is admitted...

    http://engineering.ucsb.edu/news/421

    http://www.thetigernews.com/news.php?aid=3981&sid=1#

    "In August of 2002 tuition at Clemson increased 14.6 percent for both in-state and out-of-state students.

    The state cut Clemson's funding, and subsequently only 31 percent of the University's budget consisted of state funds."

    http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/15/toyota-decides-to-build-collaborative-safety-research-center-in/

    Will Jack fund these universities to the tune of millions of dollars if these corporations pull out? My message to Jack, Roy Beck and other igonoramoses is that Beggars cant be choosers!

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