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HISPANIC CAUCUS SPLIT ON DREAM VS. AGJOBS

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Roll Call reports: Members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus are struggling to settle on their priorities for the lame-duck session. CHC leaders are pressing for action on the DREAM Act in the coming weeks... But some CHC members insist that now is the time to take on... AgJOBS, which would grant legal status to up to 1 million illegal immigrant farm workers. (posted by the ILW.COM Team)

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  1. Another Voice's Avatar
    I say go for DREAM and then use Ag Jobs as leverage to resolve some of the legal Immigration bills and do it then....
  2. My 2 cents's Avatar
    The infighting in the CHC is signs that none of these bills will get passed & the legals will get thrown under the immigration bus for no reason.
  3. Rajani's Avatar
    @ My 2 cents, you are absolutely right. Political parties will regret once the entire legals get out of USA as George has been writing. When America will cry to get international healthcare professionals, no-one will be available and when they try to retian the legals at a later date person having US experience will not be there. They may have moved to Singapore or canada and enjoying their life and US will have to survive with new comers.

  4. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    Right now, CHC owes nothing to legals. The infighting can be used to advance the cause as opposed to lamenting about somebody else not pushing your cause.
  5. George Chell's Avatar
    "@ My 2 cents, you are absolutely right. Political parties will regret once the entire legals get out of USA as George has been writing. When America will cry to get international healthcare professionals, no-one will be available and when they try to retian the legals at a later date person having US experience will not be there. They may have moved to Singapore or canada and enjoying their life and US will have to survive with new comers."

    Not just legals but citizens as well. Ireland is being emptied as skilled Irish citizens leave for greener pastures in Australia, Singapore and elsewhere. The Brits are leaving the UK along with the migrants. For those of you who think that US citizens wont move abroad, this particular story of a Scotsman from Singapore should serve as a useful warning that it could happen with US citizens including those who are descendants of the folks who came on Mayflower and Washington Irving...

    http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC101108-0000029/Why-I-became-a-Singaporean

  6. USC's Avatar
    http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/10/18/jeff-skoll-becoming-superman/

    Who is Jeff Skoll:

    he is superrich (he was the first full-time employee of eBay).......He's worth $2.5 billion.......He's signed Bill Gates and Warren Buffett's Giving Pledge. His wall displays a photo of Nelson Mandela -- taken by Tipper Gore. Skoll helped turn Al Gore's traveling lecture into the highly profitable and Oscar-winning global-warming film, An Inconvenient Truth.

    So, how did the one & only USA treat him:

    "Despite the fact that 3,000 people reported to him, his visa application had been denied, threatening his ability to remain in the U.S. Steve Westly, another early eBay executive turned politician, had been urging Skoll to get involved in politics. "He told me, You're either a participant or a victim," says Skoll. "After my visa was denied, I went to him and said, 'Okay, Steve, I'm a victim. Now what do I do?' " (What connected tech execs do is call Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who helped him resolve matters, says Skoll, who has since become a U.S. citizen.)"

    Looks like I will be stuck into calling the USCIS the INS for a long, long time!
  7. My 2 cents's Avatar
    "Right now, CHC owes nothing to legals. The infighting can be used to advance the cause as opposed to lamenting about somebody else not pushing your cause."

    The legals don't owe nothing to them either, let this stalemate continue on the legal as well as the illegal front.
  8. George Chell's Avatar
    "The legals don't owe nothing to them either, let this stalemate continue on the legal as well as the illegal front."

    The stalemate will continue in all fronts, not just immigration. Just wait for the release of the deficit commission report. The only think they wont be talking is how Simpson-Mazolli in 1984, helped drive jobs abroad, and thus reducing the tax revenue intake.


  9. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    "let this stalemate continue on the legal as well as the illegal front"

    Nice attitude.
  10. My 2 cents's Avatar
    "Nice attitude"

    Easy to make such comments when you are on the other side. I am not & am dead against rewarding people for breaking laws.
  11. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    "Easy to make such comments when you are on the other side."

    And which side that is?
  12. George Chell's Avatar
    "I am not & am dead against rewarding people for breaking laws."

    Law or not, we have to do what is the best for the economy. To be honest with you, I believe letting skilled migrants in would do more to the economy. However, my suggestion we give residency to illegals married to US citizens and definitely to those with children. Steve King will soon find out that while there are anchor babies, majority of the children born to illegals will have a US father or mother and how are they going to figure that out? With all due respect to Greg, too many lawyers in this country, and especially in the US Congress who cannot think rationally.
  13. Another Voice's Avatar
    "Easy to make such comments when you are on the other side. I am not & am dead against rewarding people for breaking laws."

    Nice way of getting the HC on your side... I am sure that is why they support the effort to fix legal immigrants.... Like it or not the relationship and need of each other between Immigrants of both status is clear. As long as they keep arguing who is more important or who should be first, there will be no results and will continue to be like dogs chasing their own tails....very smart!!!
  14. Another Voice's Avatar
    "With all due respect to Greg, too many lawyers in this country, and especially in the US Congress who cannot think rationally."

    I disagree, they are rational and can think, but their goal is not to solve this problem but to keep using it a a political football. Their goal is not align or in sync with the solution needed!!!

    I would also say that 12 million consumers can do a lot of good for the economy in a way of the multiplier effect of their spending. If certainty was given to them there would be probably more spending as generally they are in the low income brackets and the end to consume what they earn.
  15. SG's Avatar
    You are right. The correct word is political football. Otherwise why would such an effort go on for illegal immigration, when there is every reason to fix the legal immigration first. If you dig in, you will find many stories with legal immigration that will equate the people living in the shadows. This is all done to get the votes, and is nothing new in today's world. I am not wasting another year waiting for some good news on the legal front. This will never happen.
  16. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    "Otherwise why would such an effort go on for illegal immigration, when there is every reason to fix the legal immigration first."

    From your point of view, yes, but not from a point of view of an average American. 12 million people in the shadows present a bigger problem, and it needs to be addressed first. It's very simple.
  17. My 2 cents's Avatar
    "Otherwise why would such an effort go on for illegal immigration, when there is every reason to fix the legal immigration first."

    From your point of view, yes, but not from a point of view of an average American. 12 million people in the shadows present a bigger problem, and it needs to be addressed first. It's very simple.

    LNLW, if it was that simple why wasn't anything done. The US public is for legal immigration, the point is most of the public polls on this issue is targeting the illegals as AV has rightly said they want to keep dribbling this political football with no side ready to shoot at the goal. I also agree with George Chell about the people on the Hill. They are not rational & to add lack common sense & practical thinking.
  18. My 2 cents's Avatar
    "I would also say that 12 million consumers can do a lot of good for the economy in a way of the multiplier effect of their spending. If certainty was given to them there would be probably more spending as generally they are in the low income brackets and the end to consume what they earn."

    The same yardstick needs to be applied to the legals too & infact they would spend way more than the illegals with huge investments like real estate, starting business to name a few.
  19. My 2 cents's Avatar
    "And which side that is?"

    I meant you are on LPR status, that's the other side.
  20. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    "I meant you are on LPR status, that's the other side."

    Is not it a bit... juvenile to try to explain my position by my status? Do you really think my position changed after becoming an LPR? Hint - you may look for my opinion in this blog from around 3.5 years ago (yeah, I have been around that long). Just drop "no longer" from the name ;-)

    I also don't believe that you will change your position after becoming an LPR.

    P.S. The whole argument "you are wrong because you are X and not Y" does not really hold water. Stop attacking the messanger.
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