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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

DREAM ACT CAN'T PROCEED

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The Senate voted 56 to 43 against proceeding with debate on the Defense Department budget bill. Now we must wait to see what Reid's next step will be.


[UPDATE: Senator Reid was one of the no votes so that means he can bring the bill back during this Congress which means we need three votes (to make up for Prior and Lincoln's defections and the missing Republican vote)]

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  1. Jim's Avatar
    He'll probably delay it until the lameduck session.
  2. Adi's Avatar
    Do legal immigrants have a chance? Recapture, nursing bill, anyone?
  3. Another Voice's Avatar
    "Do legal immigrants have a chance? Recapture, nursing bill, anyone?"

    It's election season or silly season as some call it, no immigration bills have a chance unless they have electoral colors. Fair or not it is the reality....
  4. Adi's Avatar
    "no immigration bills have a chance"

    I meant in lame duck session or early next year.
  5. George Chell's Avatar
    If you think this is bad, wait till next year..228-207 GOP in the House and 52-48 Dems in the Senate.
  6. beppe's Avatar
    well, when the immigration leaders group, like america voice, guttierez, will understand that the only choice is doing in the lame duck or throught the USCIS Memo?
    THis time i was pretty cool, i was expecting a defeat. No surprise , like always
  7. Jim's Avatar
    Actually, it's the Defense bill that was voted not to proceed. I think this is the first time that a Defense bill was filibustered.

    It definitely will be taken up again during the lameduck session. The question is if DADT repeal and the DREAM Act will still be there.

    I personally don't think DADT will be part of the Defense bill when it is taken up again the lameduck session. Specially not with Gen. James Amos being vocal against it.

  8. USC's Avatar
    When enemy countries try to normalize relation, they start with the easy stuff, ie sporting and cultural ties. The Democrats need to take a leaf out of this strategy.

    Instead of trying to first address the controversial issue of illegal immigration (whether CIR, DREAM, AgJobs) especially with the repeated failure of DREAM they should now address EB and FB immigration.

    CIR has become synonomous with legalization. True CIR means Congress should address the inherent flaws with our immigration system for that is what drives illegal immigration. I am talking about making all visas dual intent (the bars can be retained as a detterent to those who would abuse their non-immigrant status), eliminating the un-American concept of presuming that you are an immigrant etc. etc.

  9. F's Avatar
    "eliminating the un-American concept of presuming that you are an immigrant etc. etc.
    "

    Thats a wonderful way to put it.
  10. Jim's Avatar
    Definitely agree with everything USC posted. Visa recapture for FB and EB should be one if not the top priority before the controversial stuff like DREAM Act and CIR. Hope they do that during the lameduck session.

  11. Jim's Avatar
    Forgot to say that I think Sen. Menendez trying to re-introduce CIR during the lameduck session is a mistake. Unless of course he is 100% sure that it will pass in the lameduck session but we all know that trying to pass CIR this year and even next year is near impossible.

  12. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    USC, I would have to disagree with you on the bars. Bars are one of the main reasons for the increase in illegal immigration, in my opinion. You will have the people who fall through the cracks even if the country has the most liberal immigration system. If they have no options whatsoever, they will just stay illegally and never leave. We are not talking about criminals here, just people who were overwhelmed by the paperwork or simily too lazy to apply on time. You think it is too lame to extend them a second (or third, or fourth) chance, but the sad truth is that most people can't do things right the first time, or the second, for that matter. You would get lots of examples if you hang out for 15 mins at the DMV service desk.
  13. Another Voice's Avatar
    I agree with LNLW all the way, plus as always you can not ignore the political realities in DC. That always weighs in the politicians mind and they are after all the decision makers, all rest in their hands. I have always said that political leverage and the art of making a political deal will have an impact as to what bill and what they focus on.... I Also I have always thought that Legal Immigration advocates and Illegal Immigration advocates must act in concert to support each other's measures unfortunately they are always at odds with each other and think that their cause is better than the other group, the result is that both weaken their positions and only spin their wheels without going anywhere... The funny thing is that powerful businesses benefit from both categories of immigrants and they put a lot of money into politics yet that money never finds a way to support or lobby for immigration measures, what's wrong with that picture?
  14. F's Avatar
    "I agree with LNLW all the way, plus as always you can not ignore the political realities in DC. That always weighs in the politicians mind and they are after all the decision makers, all rest in their hands. I have always said that political leverage and the art of making a political deal will have an impact as to what bill and what they focus on.... I Also I have always thought that Legal Immigration advocates and Illegal Immigration advocates must act in concert to support each other's measures unfortunately they are always at odds with each other and think that their cause is better than the other group, the result is that both weaken their positions and only spin their wheels without going anywhere... The funny thing is that powerful businesses benefit from both categories of immigrants and they put a lot of money into politics yet that money never finds a way to support or lobby for immigration measures, what's wrong with that picture?"

    The problem is with Democrats , inspite of having all the power they dont know how to twist arms and get things done.
  15. Another Voice's Avatar
    "The problem is with Democrats , inspite of having all the power they dont know how to twist arms and get things done. "

    Yet republicans will say no to anything.... they are supposed to be pro business how come those business that give them money do not say we need immigration if you want my contribution?
  16. F's Avatar
    "Yet republicans will say no to anything.... they are supposed to be pro business how come those business that give them money do not say we need immigration if you want my contribution?"

    Businesses are not running short on immigrant labor yet.
  17. Another Voice's Avatar
    "Businesses are not running short on immigrant labor yet." I would say that immigrants are not only part of the labor equation.

    Immigrants are: Consumers, home owners, tax payers, business owners entrepreneurs, car buyers, travelers etc... there is a lot of economic growth tied to immigrants, you would think that that all of the industries that benefit either from the labor, consumption or otherwise would be pushing for a solution. I mean they already contribute to both parties why not fight for the issue.
  18. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    F, actually, I think Nancy Pelosi is pretty good at herding these cats. She got most of the legislation moving ahead in the last 2-3 years (think Healthcare version approved in the House - it was much better then the final bill), and it was the Senate that was holding a lot of good stuff up.

    AV, business has been hit with a recession, which reduced its demand for labor, though, temporarily. Plus, in a global economy, it is easier to move production and support abroad then to go into lobbying. Also, businesses are not always rational - The Home Depot has probably 20% of its business with the Hispanic customers, yet they got under fire from immigration groups for advertising with Savage and other virulent anti-immigrants. Those businesses are not advocating for immigration reform even though they, in my opinion, have the most at stake.
  19. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    By the way, I am going to give credit to Larry Kudlow, a conservative CNBC business commentator, who has always been very pro-immigrant, both for skiled immigration and legalization.
  20. Another Voice's Avatar
    "The Home Depot has probably 20% of its business with the Hispanic customers, yet they got under fire from immigration groups for advertising with Savage and other virulent anti-immigrants. Those businesses are not advocating for immigration reform even though they, in my opinion, have the most at stake."

    I agree..... I have seen both Bernie Marcus and Ken Langone(founders of Home Depot) both go hard against Obama and the dems, yet never heard them support immigration even though all contractors that buy stuff from their stores are mostly hispanic and they advertise heavy in the Hispanic markets on TV and Radio.
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