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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

"CONCERNED CITIZENS" START TURNING IN THEIR NEIGHBORS IN UTAH

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For those who think that the anti-immigration groups are benign and simply want better enforcement of our immigration laws, consider what has just happened in Utah, a state that is as active as Arizona when it comes to passing anti-immigration measures, but has not been getting the same press.

State agencies are investigating whether any of their employees leaked
Social Security numbers and other personal information after a list of
1,300 people who an anonymous group claims are illegal immigrants was
circulated around Utah.


The anonymous group mailed the list to several media outlets, law
enforcement agencies and others this week, frightening the state's
Latino community. A letter accompanying the list demanded that those on
it be deported immediately.




The list also contains highly detailed personal information such as
Social Security numbers, birth dates, workplaces, addresses and phone
numbers. Names of children are included, along with due dates of
pregnant women on the list.

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In the April letter, the writers say their group "observes these
individuals in our neighborhoods, driving on our streets, working in our
stores, attending our schools and entering our public welfare
buildings."


"We then spend the time and effort needed to gather information along
with legal Mexican nationals who infiltrate their social networks and
help us obtain the necessary information we need to add them to our
list," the letter says.

This is the kind of thing you expect to hear about in a totalitarian state. Those claiming that immigrants are turning America in to a place they don't recognize might be right. But it's not because of the immigrants themselves. It's how anti-immigrant actions like this one in Utah are no longer shocking to the sensibilities of many in this country.

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  1. Adi's Avatar
    Democrats need to get their act together and pass CIR. These incidents won't stop. Reid is hesitant to add Dream with AgJobs. I wonder if he will do anything about nursing shortage.
  2. Another Voice's Avatar
    WOW this is straight out of communist Cuba where citizens spy on other citizens and turned them to the government. Watch out for your neighbors people if they do not like the way you look or act they will turn you in anonymously, I guess if it worked for the Gestapo why not try it again against immigrants. Incredible the misguided anger in these republican states that focus on the wrong things for the wrong reasons!!!
  3. Another Voice's Avatar
    "This is the kind of thing you expect to hear about in a totalitarian state. Those claiming that immigrants are turning America in to a place they don't recognize might be right. But it's not because of the immigrants themselves. It's how anti-immigrant actions like this one in Utah are no longer shocking to the sensibilities of many in this country. "

    We should not be that surprised this is out of the Glenn beck script " I missed the America I had growing up" or the America of the 50's where minorities were not well represented in any way shape or form!!! These people buy into this nonsense and gets the ball rolling.... started in AZ now Utah I am sure we will continue to hear this stuff.
  4. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    Creeps.
  5. George Chell's Avatar
    UASR...Union of American Socialist Republics...Commie Pinkos all of them!
  6. George Chell's Avatar
    If the Hispanics dont show up and vote in this election, they are themselves to blame!
  7. Adi's Avatar
    "If the Hispanics dont show up and vote in this election, they are themselves to blame!"

    Blame for what?? Democrats are already in control. Since democrats came in power, if anything deportations have increased, h1bs hunted like roaches etc. What have democrats done for them? Nothing except blaming republicans for their inaction.
  8. George Chell's Avatar
    "Blame for what??"

    Increase in racial profiling. Harrassment. Bigotry or even getting beaten up!
  9. SG's Avatar
    Actions speak louder than words, and so does in-action, which is a form of action.
    So let me state it this way:
    In-action speaks louder than words..So we all know what the Dems are up to..in fact I would be happy if the Republicans get control of the both House and the Senate. There might still be some action, atleast on the legal immigration side, which has been held hostage for ages to the "amnesty" mantra.
  10. Adi's Avatar
    "Increase in racial profiling. Harrassment. Bigotry or even getting beaten up!"

    Latinos turning up to vote in Arizona state elections will make it blue?
  11. My 2 cents's Avatar
    SG, I am in agreement with you on this. Let's wait & watch what November has in store for both parties.
  12. Adi's Avatar
    "in fact I would be happy if the Republicans get control of the both House and the Senate. There might still be some action, atleast on the legal immigration side, which has been held hostage for ages to the "amnesty" mantra."

    Democrats have done nothing. Infact they have made it worse for us to live here and travel back and forth. There is always anxiety if we will be allowed to enter back in. Atleast under Bush some legislations were passed and CIR was given a try. Republicans atleast do not lie and make false promises. They have their stance clear, they will not support illegal immigration.
  13. George Chell's Avatar
    "Latinos turning up to vote in Arizona state elections will make it blue?"

    No! Latinos turning up to vote in New Mexico might keep the two congressional districts that are considered toss-ups, blue. Latinos voting in large numbers in CA and NV will keep the US Senate blue..and I can give loads of examples. Latinos turning up in large numbers could yet give the governorship to a Democrat and elect Charlie Crist.

  14. George Chell's Avatar
    "They have their stance clear, they will not support illegal immigration."

    Many dont support legal immigration either. Check the House Immigration Reform Caucus. The only reason they have not done to legal immigration what they did in the UK is due to the presence of illegal immigrants. The resources of the antis are so tied up in dealing with illegals, they have not had the time or energy to come after legals...they surely will if they can!
  15. USC's Avatar
    There was this story in the NY Times yesterday:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/14/us/14iroquoisweb.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=iroquois&st=cse

    And here is Team Obama/Clinton's response:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100714/ap_on_sp_ot/us_lacrosse_iroquois_passports

    Good job!
  16. JoeF's Avatar
    "WOW this is straight out of communist Cuba where citizens spy on other citizens and turned them to the government."

    East Germany's Stasi comes to mind. "Unofficial informants", neighbors, spouses, children, who reported whatever "subversive" actions the rest of their family did.
    https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Stasi
  17. USC's Avatar
    "This is the kind of thing you expect to hear about in a totalitarian state. Those claiming that immigrants are turning America in to a place they don't recognize might be right. But it's not because of the immigrants themselves. It's how anti-immigrant actions like this one in Utah are no longer shocking to the sensibilities of many in this country."

    I absolutely agree. The antis like to demogogue that these draconian measures are directed against the illegals but this kind of legislation is more about USCs civil rights than about the illegals. Unfortunately, with the fall of the iron curtain many have forgotten these immortal words:

    "There are many people in the world who really don't understand, or say they don't, what is the great issue between the Free World and the Communist world."

    "Freedom has many difficulties and democracy is not perfect."

    http://uspoliticsguide.com/US-Politics-Directory/US-Politcal-Historical-Speeches/JFK-Berlin-Wall.htm

    As this great American President said democracy is not perfect and thus you have a system that the abusers (whether illegals, legals or USCs) can take advantage off. The favorite weapon in the antis war chest is the infamous national identification card. It is a matter of pride that the UK and her colonies (with the exception of the renegades in South Africa and Rhodesia) have never instituted national identification cards. On the other hand the Continent (let us remember that well into the 70s Spain, Portugal, Eastern Europe were all repressive dictatorships) seems to be all for it. The Conservatives have done the right thing in the UK by scrapping the national identification card for Citizens and PRs. Given that the Continent cannot point to a lower terrorism rate (or Pakistan to a lower terrorism rate than India) we should continue to follow the UK rather than Continental Europe.


  18. Adi's Avatar
    "There was this story in the NY Times yesterday:"

    So American Indians do harbor animosity towards European American invasion and do not want to accept American way of life?

    European Americans harbor similar anti immigrant feelings against later immigrants like Hispanics, Indians, Chinese etc?

    And everybody blames whites solely for being racists?
  19. Adi's Avatar
    "The only reason they have not done to legal immigration what they did in the UK is due to the presence of illegal immigrants."

    England does not have illegal immigration to worry about?
  20. Adi's Avatar
    "Latinos turning up to vote in New Mexico might keep the two congressional districts that are considered toss-ups, blue. Latinos voting in large numbers in CA and NV will keep the US Senate blue.."

    And how is democratic congress helping Latinos? If recent actions are any indication, deportations are worse under democrats. Don't forget that any amnesty/attempt for amnesty is done under republicans and not democrats. Don't know why you think democrats are helping Latinos, there is no action to speak of. Infact action from democrats is more deportations and tough crackdown.

    There are just as many democrats in Congress who oppose immigration.
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