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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

NATIONAL ID CARD PROPOSAL BECOMES IMMIGRATION REFORM LIGHTNING ROD

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Readers have already been discussing this subject in the comments. The usual positions on immigration won't necessarily define how people feel about a proposal to issue a national identification card to all authorized to work in the US. On the one hand, the immigration "law and order" types love the idea of a fool proof way go guarantee that all workers are legal. On the other side, civil liberties advocates are horrified by the "Big Brother" implications. Interestingly, the proposal is coming from liberal Democratic Senator Charles Schumer. And it's the privacy hawks in the GOP who are most likely going to try to strip out the proposal from an immigration reform bill. Here's an opinion piece on Foxnews.com explaining (presumably to conservatives) why they should oppose the concept. 

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  1. Jim's Avatar
    Lou Dobbs/Bill O-Reilly on national ID:

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4096623/lou-dobbs-on-illegal-immigration/?playlist_id=87249
  2. Jim's Avatar
    After skimming the comments page on the opinion piece. I could say that roughly the 'for' and 'against' the national ID are pretty even.

  3. Sam's Avatar
    Republicans dont want any progress on any issue whether its healthcare or immigration.
  4. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    That's the kind of controversial proposal that draws a lot of attention, but at the end will be happily crossed out so the bill moves forward. Now, if the reforms goes through, and someone on the right starts whining again about lack of enforcement (and it will happen), Dems can always poit out that that very someone did not want the enforceable ID provision in the bill. Nice setup, Schumer!
  5. My 2 cents's Avatar
    ID or no ID want to see some positive development. Schumer has been sitting on this from last year. Waiting to see a draft legislation or blueprint. Maybe the Senate should hand over their clout to the House. The House was able to pass HCR, climate bill & introduce CIR.
  6. beppe's Avatar
    Hi Greg, please explain to me. We got a bill of CIR?
  7. beppe's Avatar
    Interesting article from a conservative side:
    http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/5224-national-id-will-be-a-part-of-immigration-reform
  8. Adi's Avatar
    'ID or no ID want to see some positive development. Schumer has been sitting on this from last year. Waiting to see a draft legislation or blueprint. Maybe the Senate should hand over their clout to the House. The House was able to pass HCR, climate bill & introduce CIR."
    No kidding. All this drama always results in nothing, as we have witnessed since so many years. Atleast under republicans, we had easier time. With democrats in power, everthing is getting worse by the day (or should I say memos). They are making life hell for legal immigrants.

  9. Another Voice's Avatar
    More Mr. "No" from republicans with any excuse.... I recall the Rudy Giulliani was a proponent of this type of ID when he was running and the republicans were for it!!! Now that the dems are proposing the same thing its a government take over.... the will use this issue or any other to drive it as wedge to derail immigration and any other problems we have to solve.
  10. Sam's Avatar
    "More Mr. "No" from republicans with any excuse.... I recall the Rudy Giulliani was a proponent of this type of ID when he was running and the republicans were for it!!! Now that the dems are proposing the same thing its a government take over.... the will use this issue or any other to drive it as wedge to derail immigration and any other problems we have to solve."

    Exactly, They will do and say anything and everything to derail Obamas agenda. They want to see Mr. Obama fail period.

    But I think , having a debate about immigration (whether a bill goes thru or not ) is good politics for Dems. If it goes thru, Dems will lock in a generation of latino voters. If it does not go thru , the debate will expose republicans for what they are .
  11. Sid's Avatar
    "If it goes thru, Dems will lock in a generation of latino voters."

    Yeah right. Latinos are a bunch of sheep that'll keep voting for Democrats even if the unemployment rates stays high.
  12. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    Sid - I'd only point you to the historical voting patterns of another minority - African Americans. For generations, African Americans voted for the GOP. It was, after all, the party of Lincoln and Republicans pushed hard for many civil rights measures. The GOP eventually embarked on a Southern strategy and Dixiecrats defected to the Republicans en masse. Eventually, the GOP became the party seen as opposing civil rights and African Americans moved solidly to the Democratic ranks and routinely get more than 90% of the black vote. That shift has not shown any signs of abating after many decades. The GOP is doing the same thing with a new constituency. The sharper GOP strategists have figured out that this is political suicide. If they can't read polls, then just look at the demographic trends - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100310/ap_on_go_ot/us_white_minority
  13. George Chell's Avatar
    I think at the minimum a national ID card should be an option. At present no one has that option and if you are on vacation and you get mugged and loose your ID, you cannot get back home.
  14. USC's Avatar
    "Yeah right. Latinos are a bunch of sheep that'll keep voting for Democrats"

    If a numerous card carrying Republicans refer to you as cans/spics you are unlikely to ever get them to vote for you. I am not even Latino and I find such slurs odious, imagine how Latinos must feel!
  15. AJ's Avatar
    Will this not run into religious opposition? When a similar id was recently proposed in India, there was a protest by some Christian cleric about how this should not be done because of something in the Bible against it. I'd imagine similar dynamics would operate on a larger scale here in opposition to the id.
  16. Sid's Avatar
    Greg, with all due respect, the treatment of Hispanics is nowhere comparable to what African Americans had to go through. Demographic trends will favor Democrats if social issues matter more. When it comes to economic issues, a generational war is brewing between Seniors and younger workers, and Democrats may have to finally take a hit for creating fiscally unsustainable entitlement programs. I don't know how it'll all play out in the next 10-20 years because there are many factors. I wouldn't advise the Democrats to start counting their chicken if they continue to fight amongst themselves and push unpopular bills.
  17. George Chell's Avatar
    No Sid. Under the current situation, Dems will do well if the economy and employment improves.
  18. Another Voice's Avatar
    "Greg, with all due respect, the treatment of Hispanics is nowhere comparable to what African Americans had to go through."

    That still does not excuse the behavior....

    "Demographic trends will favor Democrats if social issues matter more. When it comes to economic issues, a generational war is brewing between Seniors and younger workers, and Democrats may have to finally take a hit for creating fiscally unsustainable entitlement programs."

    There are other issues for republicans to contend with like the 2 wars on the credit card, the unpaid tax cuts and the unpaid entitlement programs they have created!!! Plenty of blame to go around but no real solutions.... we need to hit the play and stay off the Pause.
  19. Sam's Avatar
    " I am not even Latino and I find such slurs odious, imagine how Latinos must feel! "

    Being treated fairly and with respect mean a lot for lot of people and they trump things such as economy.
  20. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    Sid - We can argue over your response, but you're missing the point. Hispanics PERCEIVE that they have been grossly mistreated by the GOP and that is why they shifted their allegiances dramatically over the last two election cycles (much more so than the general public's shift to the Dems). So obviously the GOP has an image problem with Hispanics and that is having electoral consequences. Voters tend to get in to a habit of supporting one party or the other and people often vote the same way as their parents and peers. So it can take generations to undo the damage when a party forces a dramatic shift in voting patterns.
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