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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

LIP SERVICE?

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The Los Angeles Times reports that the President is pushing Senators Schumer and Graham to get their immigration proposal introduced. But many are skeptical the White House is serious.

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  1. Dan's Avatar
    This is the best time to pay this lip service as he knows it's too late to do anything. Mr President and the congress, prove us wrong.
  2. Jack's Avatar
    'Citizenship would not be granted lightly, the White House said...Failure to comply might result in deportation.'

    Sounds like they don't even believe that. Why would the citizenry buy it?


  3. My 2 cents's Avatar
    The Cans would steamroll the Dems during the midterm elections & Latinos would have a key part in this by not turning up to vote. It's a shame that Schumer & Graham cannot come up with a draft. If so why not take up the one which the house presented & has over 90 cosponsors.
  4. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    Jack, just for the record, it is unlikely that you would qualify for immigration and US citizenship under current immigration laws. 80% of Americans would not. The last three presidents would not.
  5. Jim's Avatar
    Time is running out. Why can't they just admit that it would be hard to do another comprehensive bill this year and just pass some piece-meal legislation to temporarily relieve some backlogs.

    With HC reform passing and it looks like there will be one no matter what - more nurses and physicians are needed. Start with that even if just a temporary thing until a comprehensive bill is reloaded next year.

    A lot of retiring nurses will soon finally retire once their pensions or 401ks has recovered (if not already) and some doctors threatening to stop practicing if HC reform passes would only mean more shortages.

    59 yo pilot "Sully" Sullenberger and another 59 yo flight attendant are able to retire recently. No reason that older nurses cannot retire very soon as well.

  6. Jack's Avatar
    'Jack, just for the record, it is unlikely that you would qualify for immigration and US citizenship under current immigration laws. 80% of Americans would not. The last three presidents would not.'

    Relevancy?
  7. LFWF's Avatar
    "'Citizenship would not be granted lightly, the White House said...Failure to comply might result in deportation.'

    Sounds like they don't even believe that. Why would the citizenry buy it? "


    I believe that is the "relevancy". Nothing appears to be "hard" enough for you when it comes to granting citizenship.
    Would you let us know what pound of flesh you demand please?
  8. Jim's Avatar
    "Citizenship would not be granted lightly, the White House said...Failure to comply might result in deportation."

    I surely believe this. I posted about this in the past if you guys can remember it.

    Not everyone will be able to pay the back taxes and fees. Heck, I do not even think some will even make an effort to learn English (w/c is one of the requirements) or learn enough to pass a standardized English proficiency exam.

    Point is, it is going to be earned citizenship and non-compliance could mean no more excuses for deportation.

  9. USC's Avatar
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703954904575110124037066854.html

    If this makes it into the final version, I will be joining my friend Jack in opposing CIR!!
  10. Jim's Avatar
    "If this makes it into the final version, I will be joining my friend Jack in opposing CIR!!"

    What's wrong with a national ID card? The US IMPOSES e-passports to everyone around the world mainly for anti-terrorism purposes besides from the obvious anti-fraud/tamper-resistant secondary gains. It is even a main requirement to have to be under the the US' visa-waiver program.

    US citizens who have traveled abroad have biometric e-passports as well whether they actually know it or not.

    This national ID won't be any different from a biometric e-passport.

    Besides, if you think they need a national ID or an e-passport to play big brother - they don't. If you are already a 'person of interest' then not having a biometric ID or e-passport won't be a deterrent.

    This is a vehicle for compromise.
  11. USC's Avatar
    "What's wrong with a national ID card?"

    Supplied below is a link to the full story (subscription not required):

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703954904575110124037066854.html

    THe ACLU partly answers your question:

    "It is fundamentally a massive invasion of people's privacy," said Chris Calabrese, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "We're not only talking about fingerprinting every American, treating ordinary Americans like criminals in order to work. We're also talking about a card that would quickly spread from work to voting to travel to pretty much every aspect of American life that requires identification."

    Schumy confirms the above:

    "Mr. Schumer said employers would be able to buy a scanner to check the IDs for as much as $800. Small employers, he said, could take their applicants to a government office to like the Department of Motor Vehicles and have their hands scanned there."

    A teenager looking for a job in a pizzeria would first need to pass scanning at their local DMV and everytime I needed to hire a receptionist I would need to parade my applicants down to DMV. Sound great, indeed!!

    So what is the argument for this massive invasion of privacy? Security? That is merely pandering to those who are even afraid of their own shadows. Just look at the past 100 years. Countries like Pakistan, Malaysia, Iran, Russia and Italy have National IDs while those like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the USA, the UK do not. Which group has had more instances of home grown terror?

    As Schumy's colleague might say, Schumy is:

    "He is wrong at every level - dead wrong, factually wrong, legally wrong, morally wrong, ethically wrong."

    In any event, since this blog is about immigration I won't continue this discussion. However, there will be many of us who are pro-immigration but will be unable to support this legislation if it becomes a Trojan Horse for a National ID.
  12. Jim's Avatar
    @USC

    That is, at least in my opinion, a false argument.

    The same thing was said about the biometric e-passport that the US Gov't pushed a few years back. And I emphasize the *US pushed for all countries to get biometric e-passports* specially if they want to visit the US. Some biometric e-passports even has their digitized fingerprints stored on it.

    The American public was up in arms as well when the biometric passports was being pushed for all Americans who wants to travel abroad. Pretty much the same arguments like privacy, big brother, etc... being made now.

    Fast forward a few years later. Majority of countries now have biometric e-passports (and more to come), including US citizens who wants to travel outside the US.

    Full body scanners are also going to be common now and it's the same argument as well as the e-passports and the proposed biometric national ID but at the end of the day the pros outweighs the cons.

    And like I said, not having a biometric ID of some sort will not deter big brother. If one is terrorist or a 'person of interest', big brother will be there.

    This will also create many jobs as well, by the way. Giving biometric IDs to some 300 million people will take some time to roll out and a back-room cyber-security or something like that will be formed. And all these jobs will go to naturally-borned US citizens and even to veterans who can't get a job after the military.

    Besides from immigration/anti-illegal purposes, it obviously can double up as anti-terrorism. Other benefits? It's going to be anti-identity theft and that will curb out SSS, medicare frauds, maybe even tax-cheats, etc..

    Point is. It has multi-benefits and create jobs for mostly naturally-borned Americans. I doubt much non-naturally borned Americans will get jobs for sensitive stuff.

    At the end of the day, the advantages will outweigh the disadvantages.

  13. USC's Avatar
    @Jim

    A national ID is mandatory, a passport is NOT.

  14. USC's Avatar
    "It has multi-benefits and create jobs for mostly naturally-borned Americans. I doubt much non-naturally borned Americans will get jobs for sensitive stuff."

    This is precisely why National Ids are a bad idea because you are justifying discrimination against Naturalized US Citizens.
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