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READING TEA LEAVES: IS THE PUBLIC READY FOR REFORM?

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The Pew folks have a thorough and balanced article analyzing the polling data and running through the history and have concluded that immigration reform will be tough but the polling data still shows a public that is supportive.

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  1. Jack's Avatar
    Since CIR legislation is written for competing special interests (business, ethnic, unions) which are unconcerned about the others, not to mention the public interest, it's hard to satisfy every 'stakeholder'. Winning public support isn't essential to get legislation passed but you don't want it to sag too low. Americans aren't thrilled with rewarding lawbreaking so when it comes to 'earned citizenship', it's tolerable to more of the public the more you play up the earning, not the amnesty. E.g., 'required to learn English' polls fabulously so it has to be included in some form. The problem is that whatever is proposed will be objected to by certain of the special interests with the result being something so watered down as to appear fraudulent once the opposition to amnesty shines a light on it. As each compromised component is examined, a collective sense builds that the whole thing would be completely unworkable and doing nothing is better than this monstrosity with something to offend everyone. The actual bill polls lower and lower, substantially less than the theoretical poll support for CIR.

    If the CIR pushers are determined to go forward in this employment climate, they obviously think they need a gimmick but it is amazing how desperate they look so early. I am referring to Gutierrez's legally dubious flimflam of "no American citizen, no one born in the United States of America, will ever lose a job opportunity to someone who is foreign born." What? If Tom Tancredo proposed the same thing, the Latino groups would be calling it the most xenophobic legislative proposal in half a century. For an identity politician like Gutierrez to put his name on a law which would discriminate most heavily against his own ethnicity lacks credibility. It just makes him look untrustworthy or if he actually meant what he said, a greenhorn who's hard to take seriously as CIR point man. He's supposedly been consulting with all sorts of pro-amnesty groups and politicians and it makes me wonder who else, if anyone, signed off on his 'born in the USA' plan.
  2. George Chell's Avatar
    Same old rant from good ol Jack.
  3. Another voice's Avatar
    If you look at Jack's comments you could see how the CIR debate could be used as a wedge to divide and weakened the Republican party going into the mid term elections. The Jack's of the world would be in the Tancredo - Tea party camp with Sarah Palin and the Fox news folks and the rest of the party would be with the McCain's of the world. That may be what the dems are thinking since these folks manage to lower Obama's poll numbers with the healthcare debate they may be looking to even out the playing field. In the end Americans will not line up on the side of the extremes, it will be all about who sells their CIR story better, the antis or the administration.
  4. Nathan Bogart's Avatar
    Obviously it is a good thing that the public still seems to be relatively supportive of CIR. That being said, I worry that Obama has already spent all of the political capital at his disposal. CIR is and will continue to be a very divisive issue with large (and very noisy) segments of the population vigorously opposed. It's going to be a very hard battle to fight.
  5. gg's Avatar
    ALERT !!!!!

    CIR with over 100 co-sponsors to be introduced in the House on Dec 15, 2009. Dems confident of passing the bill in the house without bi-partisan support.
  6. Jim's Avatar
    "CIR with over 100 co-sponsors to be introduced in the House on Dec 15, 2009. Dems confident of passing the bill in the house without bi-partisan support."

    I'm not surprised that it's the House again that will start the ball rolling and this is even if the Senate is not busy with the HC reform debate for the rest of the year.

    Any news on when will the House start debating on it?

  7. Jim's Avatar
    "That being said, I worry that Obama has already spent all of the political capital at his disposal. CIR is and will continue to be a very divisive issue with large (and very noisy) segments of the population vigorously opposed."


    I'm more concerned with the GOP and what will happen to their party if they choose to not get in the bandwagon.

    Also, unlike HC reform I think their will be a few GOP that will give their votes.


  8. George Chell's Avatar
    How dare white Americans steal Chinese jobs and work for competitive wages! This is atrocious!

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/34217849
  9. Fred's Avatar
    "How dare white Americans steal Chinese jobs and work for competitive wages! This is atrocious!"

    I hope the antis finally gets this little thing called "globalization".

    And oh, just as Robert Kiyosaki recently said in Al Jazeera: China is not the world's biggest currency manipulator - America is!!.



  10. George Chell's Avatar
    More Americans stealing Chinese jobs in China...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/11/business/economy/11expats.html

    and more Americans stealing Japanese jobs this time through Japanese outsourcing and FDI to the US...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Motors

    As I have told fellow white people frequently, all the definitions of white privilege put forth is wrong..

    White privilege is complaining about US jobs moving abroad or non-white immigrant or citizens of Asian or Hispanic origin getting employment in the US and everyone such as Lou Dobbs get on the bandwagon, but when white Americans steal jobs from the Japanese or Chinese, no one complains about it..at least not any white American. Over 300,000 white Americans working in China, another 100,000 in Japan, millions working for Japanese and Korean corporations in the US, but do you hear a word about stealing Asian jobs..no! Of course, Americans have been stealing German jobs since the 1980s when the German corporations have been laying off German workers and hiring abroad to circumvent the nation's draconinan anti-skilled immigrant laws and to take advantage of the more friendly atmosphere in countries such as US, Singapore and Australia!

    Antis please respond! I hope you will come out and attack the fact that white Americans are stealing Asian jobs and it is a two way street! If not, all you are demanding is privilege for the American majority!
  11. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    "Also, unlike HC reform I think their will be a few GOP that will give their votes."

    Agree. There are a few people like McCain that will vote if given an oportunity to insert a few ammendments (and the kind of ammendments that most Dems want, anyway).
  12. Adi's Avatar
    "CIR with over 100 co-sponsors to be introduced in the House on Dec 15, 2009. Dems confident of passing the bill in the house without bi-partisan support."

    Sources please. There was promise back on labor day. Promises. Promises.
  13. George Chell's Avatar
    I am going to hammer away at Americans working abroad, especially in Asia, as Americans stealing Asian jobs! That may be the only language antis understand!
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