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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

IMMIGRATION AMID A RECESSION

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Business Week has kicked off a series of stories exploring the impact of immigrants in today's economy with a fairly balanced piece discussing the arguments for and against increased work-based immigrant visa numbers. Worth the read.

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  1. Another voice's Avatar
    Good article!!!
  2. Geroge Chell's Avatar
    ""It will be impossible to push a large-scale temporary worker program," says Alexander Aleinikoff, dean of the Georgetown University Law Center and a member of the Obama team's immigration task force."

    The net result will be more jobs going abroad, a jobless recovery in the US and more pressure to restrict H1Bs and even more jobs going abroad and even slow job market recovery. This is the lesson from the past two recessions.
  3. Geroge Chell's Avatar
    And for those who think jobs wont move abroad I have this news item...

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/05/prweb2407194.htm
  4. Geroge Chell's Avatar
    More news items...

    http://www.cicnews.com/2009/04/h1b-fasttrack-canadian-immigration-04711.html
  5. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    US should consider giving states some play in attracting immigrants. I live in one of those states hit hard by recession and joblessness, but the truth is that people have been leaving this state for many-many years, and local officials are eager to come up with incentives to attract for needed educated workers. A simple exemption from H1 and EB quotas should do. If the state was allowed to do that and it turned a success, then other states will be all over the program.
  6. Jack's Avatar
    'the estimated 12 million undocumented workers in the U.S.'

    'They also argue that legitimizing the status of the 12 million undocumented workers'

    Is it not obvious that every illegal alien is not a 'worker'? So is this common error just sloppy reporting or a bias toward inflating the significance of illegal alien labor in the economy?


    "The more we are able to solve skills shortages by importing workers from other countries, the fewer incentives we have to improve the schooling and educational training opportunities for our domestic and more disadvantaged populations," says Gerald Jaynes, professor of economics Yale University. "In fact, there's almost no incentive."

    Indeed. It's all about incentives and the labor market would work itself out if you just left it alone. If the government wants to manage, they could create incentives for new schools and/or students in particular fields rather than creating disincentives for new schools and students by importing foreign labor in that field.

    The warnings of exported jobs are one thing in, e.g, tech, where a transnational can move operations around. Physicians and nurses are not at risk of that so why would a government import labor into such sure jobs for its citizens? Saying it's just temporary until there's enough domestic workers is a cop out because the domestic labor market adapts to that presence as if it's permanent--the 'shortage' will last forever.


  7. Geroge Chell's Avatar
    "Physicians and nurses are not at risk of that so why would a government import labor into such sure jobs for its citizens?"

    Oh really?

    http://news.health.com/2009/04/08/traveling-treatment/

    Think again!! Going abroad for medical treatment is equivalent to outsourcing! Try stopping individuals from going abroad for medical treatment! It makes stopping a tech job from going abroad much easier!
  8. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    "Is it not obvious that every illegal alien is not a 'worker'? "

    If it's not a worker, then it's a homemaker wife or child or an illegal/legal worker. The statistics of workforce participation for illegals are availble, and as far as I remember, it was higher compared to citizen (illegals don't get no welfare or UI).
  9. Jim's Avatar
    "Physicians and nurses are not at risk of that so why would a government import labor into such sure jobs for its citizens?"

    The reason why it is needed is because you cannot say to a patient needing immediate care to wait for more domestic nurses to study nursing and pray that they won't quit in 1, 3, 5 years time (majority quits within that time frame).

    Why would you do if you were a victim of a short-staffed hospital and the hospital administrator would say to you not to complain of waiting so long and please just wait for more domestic nurses to take up nursing and pray that they stay long enough that everyone benefits from it.

    Patients needing care would and cannot wait for something that may not happen. Many patients in Canada and UK go to other countries as well because their system makes them wait for months for surgeries and procedures.

    Also, do you know that majority of healthcare workers (particularly nurses and physicians) will not even show up for work during a crisis such as an pandemic or outbreak?

    Read this: http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/05/still-unprepared-for-a-lethal-pandemic/?iref=werecommend

    You can just imagine what the situation would be if there would indeed be a full-blown pandemic and the already short-staffed healthcare system will not even show up. Disaster? You betcha !!

    As it is, the hospitals are already feeling stressed out because of the sudden increase in patient census in the E.R. and it's not even the worst case scenario that is expected.

    Want to take your chances?? You better pray that you, your spouse, children, parents (if still living), close friends and relatives not get infected and be one of those who will fall ill of it and need health services and find out that majority did not show up for work to cater for you and your loved ones.

    Anyway, you still have your principles and philosophy of not allowing foreign nationals to migrate. That's enough to save you and your loved ones, right?

    And don't even think of going to other countries to be treated. That would be hypocrisy and if the situation would be a pandemic other countries may not even let any inbound flights from US come in at all and even if they will, their healthcare system will probably also be stretched out that they won't be able to cater to you as well.

    Then you will ask yourself if it was all worth it, specially after learning that the ones you thought of defending did not even show up for work to cater to you and your loved ones.

    Still, wanna take the chance?? Be, my guess and good luck to you and your loved ones.
  10. Kavitha's Avatar
    It will be too late by the time the US Government realizes the real shortage of Nurses and Physicians. When they make visas available No NURSES or Physicians will be available to be in USA on short notice unless they come up with another legislation waiving off the requirement of CGFNS/NCLEX and Visa Screen. UK, Canada, New Zeland, Australia have already started taking all available Nurses from South Africa, Philippines and India.
  11. Geroge Chell's Avatar
    "It will be too late by the time the US Government realizes the real shortage of Nurses and Physicians. When they make visas available No NURSES or Physicians will be available to be in USA on short notice unless they come up with another legislation waiving off the requirement of CGFNS/NCLEX and Visa Screen. UK, Canada, New Zeland, Australia have already started taking all available Nurses from South Africa, Philippines and India."

    I noticed the first shortage of medical personnell in this country six years ago when a doctor I went to was horrified that I had a pulse rate of 95. He said that they eventually may have to cut my heart open to find the reason if tests dont determine the cause! That is when I decided that I will do my check-up abroad. In a developed Asian country (not Japan or Korea) it cost me about one third to do the regular check up every year that I would be paying in the US. Since then I have been hooked and I would be returning next month to do my physicals. Jack thinks medical care cannot be outsourced. True, hospitals cannot outsource but the patient can outsource unless it is an emergency...and try stopping the patient from outsourcing medical care. The unions can play the shortage game, but they wont win..not with people like me!

  12. Geroge Chell's Avatar
    And in this particular country with a per capita income higher than the US, the doctors are well qualified too!
  13. Jim's Avatar
    "It will be too late by the time the US Government realizes the real shortage of Nurses and Physicians."

    Actually, the US Gov't knows it. Specially the nurse shortage side. It is well documented by the US Dept. of Labor and the Health and Human Services(HHS).

    The problem is they are not doing anything about it and just like what George said the unions are playing the shortage game to the detriment of ordinary American patients.

    Money first, other agendas next and patients last.

  14. cynical's Avatar
    Yes, it can be outsourced.

    Take the exmaple of Radiologists- among the highets paid physicians, making at least twice what a primary doc or other non procedural specialist makes for keeping bankers hours in most cases. They keep the number of training slots limited, but won't deign to work nights. So they are outsourcing night studies to India and other places. Don't bother arguing about it, I know people in India that are reading films for a large number of hospitals here. Incidentally they are US trained and have taken their lives and money (which continues to come in) and returned home.

    This raises questions as to why EKGs, Sleep Studies, Holetr monitors and many more cannot be outsourced?

    You can also get consultations on the web (there are many companies offering this) from Physicians in all parts of the world. Send all your information and studies and get a written second opinion.
  15. Geroge Chell's Avatar
    Severe consequences of limiting immigration....

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Social-Security-and-Medicare-apf-15219531.html
  16. homes's Avatar



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/12/AR2009051201208.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR
  17. Jim's Avatar
    More and more people are calling that the worst is over in the last week or so. George Soros is convinced as well: http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/latest/story/0,4574,332444-1242071940,00.html?

    I think some are even expecting some growth as early as the 3rd qtr: http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/latest/story/0,4574,332391-1242071940,00.html?

    So, could the recession be taken out as an excuse already !!
  18. Geroge Chell's Avatar
    "So, could the recession be taken out as an excuse already !!"

    When the unemployment rate begins to fall!


  19. Geroge Chell's Avatar
    Serves them right..perhaps the citizens of Arizona should look to Sheriff Arapaio for help instead of us taxpayers...

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/29655038?slide=8
  20. Kamal Nath is peeing in his pants's Avatar
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Reports-GM-to-export-apf-15230502.html?sec=topStories&pos=7&asset=&ccode=

    Hey Kamal Nath and friends,

    Here is the picture of the new "pure nativist" low technology America that will haunt you for the rest of your lives. You think 65,000 H1B's are too much to compete against? How about 1 Billion Chinese and then 1 Billion Indians? Compete, or perish. In your case we know what will follow. So sit around and wait for smart Asians to be replaced by other foreigners you think you can expliot more. May be you can wish for some vestal virgins too in the meanwhile :-)
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