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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

21,000 H-1B VISAS STILL UNCLAIMED

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USCIS announced that as of today, only 44,000 of the 65,000 H-1B visas available for fiscal year 2010 have been claimed. That is only slightly fewer than they announced had been used at the end of the first week in April. So much for the argument that H-1Bs are cheap labor that employers use to displace more expensive American workers. In fact, H-1B workers - when you factor in legal costs, government filing fees and assorted other expenses - are usually much MORE expensive than their US counterparts.

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  1. George Chell's Avatar
    Yes, it is cheaper to transfer jobs abroad instead of trying to hire a H1B. I still wonder why the antis are fighting over a piddly 85,000 out of 120 million jobs in the US, while nearly ten times that number is shipped abroad. Looks like these antis have other motives which I have discussed earlier.
  2. Jack's Avatar
    "So much for the argument that H-1Bs are cheap labor that employers use to displace more expensive American workers."

    How exactly does that statistic disprove those two claims? Here are not the usual biased arguments but researched evidence:

    H-1B visa use cuts U.S. programmer, software engineer wages by up to 6%

    http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasic&taxonomyName=Careers&articleId=9131729&taxonomyId=10


    The abstract:
    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1380343

    ////


    As many as 8% of IT workers have been displaced by offshore outsourcing, either through job loss or an involuntary transfer to a new job by their employer, which is twice the rate of workers in other occupations, according to a study based on data collected from some 10,000 people, which may be the largest survey of its kind.

    http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9113755






  3. George Chell's Avatar
    "H-1B visa use cuts U.S. programmer, software engineer wages by up to 6%"

    Without H1B costs will go up, demand for the product will fall and soon all US employees will be out of work. Ask the employees of Circuit City which never outsourced any of its jobs and stocked its stores with US and foreign electronic products. You want to see a world without H1B or outsourcing? It is spelled Circuit City.

    "As many as 8% of IT workers have been displaced by offshore outsourcing, either through job loss or an involuntary transfer to a new job by their employer, which is twice the rate of workers in other occupations, according to a study based on data collected from some 10,000 people, which may be the largest survey of its kind."

    It will be worse without H1B.
  4. George Chell's Avatar
    "Barring changes, come 2030 the cost of Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and the interest the country owes on its debt will consume all the annual tax revenue the government collects, Konigsberg said."

    http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/20/news/economy/obama_cabinet_costcutting/index.htm?postversion=2009042017

    It will be far worse if jobs keep going abroad. At least with H1Bs foreigners pay taxes in this country and pay towards social security revenue. And the antis complaining about 6% drop in wages due to competition due to a piddly 85,000 jobs out of 120 million would be laughable if not outright pathetic!
  5. john's Avatar
    the situation is really bad. Major financial firms have just given notice for their contractors to leave in a few weeks. A lot of these aliens are leaving behind with more job losses to come. Mr. Obama & admin needs to realize that you need to act quickly before its too late. The same popularity wh brought you to the table will quickly wash him off, if his actions are not producing results. Immigration is one of the core issue right now to help and save america. Only people who can imagine big and think big can help now. Not those unions. He needs to tell companies to bring in more jobs (and provide some tax breaks for them) rather than listening to those union folks.
  6. B. Matthew's Avatar
    Dear Greg,

    AFP reports that top lawmakers seek healthcare bill by June:
    (http://health.yahoo.com/news/afp/ushealthpoliticscongress_20090420204720.html)
    It is reported that 46 million Americans have no insurance coverage and the reform bill shall provide coverage for all uninsured and there will be a huge demand for healthcare workers in USA. A comprehensive healthcare reform bill should address the shortage of healthcare workers. 1,16,000 RN vacancies are already vacant in hospitals and 100,000 in nursing homes. It seems that they should address immigration reforms in conjuction with the healthcare reforms.
  7. George Chell's Avatar
    "A comprehensive healthcare reform bill should address the shortage of healthcare workers. 1,16,000 RN vacancies are already vacant in hospitals and 100,000 in nursing homes. It seems that they should address immigration reforms in conjuction with the healthcare reforms."

    It is in the best interest of the nurses union not to do anything about the shortage. Keep quiet about the budget cuts so that fewer nurses are produced and try keeping the foreign nurses out of the country..both will result on higher salaries for nurses due to shortage, not due to productivity gains. The net result would be higher health care costs, fewer folks insured and expensive health care.
  8. B. Matthew's Avatar
    46 million newly insured (state sponsored)americans will come under state sponsored insurance . The demand for healthcare will increase dramatically. Who will provide healthcare to them? The system is already facing huge shortage of skilled workers.

    Training more people domestically is one solution. It may take years to produce these professionals as there is a shortage of trainers! Providing insurance coverage and infrastructure do not give healthcare. We need enough professionals.

    There are many qualified, experienced and licensed professionals legally waiting for their visas. They will not take away any american job! How can we call it 'Comprehensive' unless it address all these major issues. Are they heading towards a complete mess up and dissaster?
  9. Sagard's Avatar
    Dear Greg
    Have you got any updates on re-introduction of HR 5924 (Nurses Bill)? Any hope..?
    Rgds
  10. George Chell's Avatar
    "Training more people domestically is one solution. It may take years to produce these professionals as there is a shortage of trainers! Providing insurance coverage and infrastructure do not give healthcare. We need enough professionals."

    To keep health care costs from going up any further, we need to flood the markets with medical professionals, domestically produced and foreign professionals. End of story! Otherwise we are risking serious medical cost spikes in the future.

  11. Jim's Avatar
    Speaking of nursing unions.

    I am now wondering how some prominent nursing unions will react to AFL-CIO and Win for Change now supporting comprehensive immigration reform.

    California Nurses Association(CNA)/NNOC is affiliated with AFL-CIO while SEIU is affiliated with Win for Change and last time I checked CNA and SEIU have now merged as one union.

    Of all occupations in the US it is only nurses and physical therapists that the US Dept. of Labor designates as chronically in shortage, hence their designation as Schedule A occupations.

    How could the US Chamber of Commerce and others believe AFL-CIO and Win for Change's proposal for a commission which will make recommendations on the size and rules for work visas be truly independent and a-political if one of their affiliate union (CNA-SEIU)would not support or hinder any immigration reform to bring in foreign nurses where the US Dept. of Labor and Health and Human Services(HHS designated already as chronically in shortage??

    If they want people to believe their proposal for a commission can truly be independent then they must show first that they can respect a respectable 3rd party such as the US Dept. of Labor and HHS saying there is a nursing shortage and not hinder any immigration reform to bring in nurses.

    Action speaks louder than words.
  12. Jim's Avatar
    "Training more people domestically is one solution. It may take years to produce these professionals as there is a shortage of trainers! Providing insurance coverage and infrastructure do not give healthcare. We need enough professionals.

    There are many qualified, experienced and licensed professionals legally waiting for their visas. They will not take away any american job! How can we call it 'Comprehensive' unless it address all these major issues. Are they heading towards a complete mess up and dissaster?"

    There are studies saying that it will take at least 10 years to be able to train more home-grown nurses, one of the reasons of w/c is they need to train the trainers first as there is also a shortage of those.

    Personally, I think 10 years is also being liberal and overtly optimistic.

    Go lurk on any US-based nursing forums and you will not think that there will be enough home-grown nurses produced to solve the nursing shortage now and on the years to come where it is expected to get worst as more baby-boomers retires.

    The attitude you'll get from reading these nursing forums is unbelievable.

    Some things I have read:

    - Complaining of $100,000 student loans when the average annual salary would only be $60,000.

    - Threatening to stop their nursing education in the middle of the program just base on a few news that some hospitals and nursing homes are currently freeze hiring the last few months because they are unsure of the impact of the prolonged recession to their bottom-line

    - Complaining of former UAW workers now educating themselves to be nurses because "they are only after" the security of a healthcare job rather than truly want to be nurses

    - Complaining that they are getting night shifts/graveyard shifts when these shifts traditionally usually go to new nurses as more senior nurses have priority over day shifts

    Just too many complains and excuses to even mention.

    Not to mention that some former nurses that just recently went back to nursing after years of turning their back on it because of the recession will probably stop again working as nurses once the recession ends and as soon as their husbands gets a job again.

    And they have the nerve to call foreign nurses, former UAW workers and other formers now educating and re-training themselves to become nurses as only after the money and security of being a nurse ??

    Pathetic.
  13. Rajani's Avatar
    Hi Greg,
    Is there any possibility for the law makers to make RNs eligible to apply for H1B visa. The present law allows only selective category of nurses to be eligible to apply. Many hospitals cannot meet the guidelines of CIS becuase US nurses having associate degree are also working in the department where vacant positions are there. They find it difficult to certify the the vacant post needs a B.SN.
  14. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    Hi Rajani - No serious plans to change the H-1B rules to more clearly allow RNs (though we have had more success in filing them recently).

    I do believe the nurse bill is going to be introduced in the next few days, however. That's based on some news I've received in the last 24 hours.
  15. Rajani's Avatar
    Thank you Greg. Chris has also indirectly mentioned the same opinion. Once this is introduced, let us hope the congress will debate and mark up and do further proceedings. I am sure, your info is accurate. You mentioned that you had good success in filing H1B visas for Nurses. What about approvals? Has CIS started approving the H1B visa for Nurses out of the ones you have filed.
  16. B. Matthew's Avatar
    Greg,

    I think this news item is nothing but false reporting.
    http://www.groundreport.com/Health_and_Science/U-S-Vows-to-Import-500-000-Foreign-Nurses_1

    Is there a way to verify it?
  17. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    The report is bunk. Obama said no such thing. The nursing immigration bill likely to be introduced in coming days only provides for 50,000 nurses, a number pretty low in comparison to nursing immigration in recent years. The writer needs new glasses since he is seeing an extra zero.
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