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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

RECESSION ISN'T RESOLVING NURSING SHORTAGE

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Even as the unemployment rate tops 8% in the US, the shortage of nurses is still not getting better. We still need nursing immigration relief.

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  1. George Chell's Avatar
    "A study by Buerhaus showed that 6,700 patient deaths and 4 million days of hospital care could be averted annually by increasing the number of nurses. "Nurses are the glue holding the system together," Buerhaus said."

    Comment: Quoting Keynes and reversing his quote, in the short run we all will be dead!

    "Addressing the nursing shortage is important in the context of healthcare reform, Buerhaus added. Future shortages could drive up nurse wages, adding costs to the system, he said."

    Comment: Double the salary of health care workers as the antis want, we will have seniors and other vulnerable people dropped from insurance. Medicare will go bust.

    "And if the health changes championed by Obama raise the number of Americans with access to medical care, more nurses will be needed to help accommodate them, Buerhaus said."

    Comment: The administration needs to seriously think through this problem!

  2. guest's Avatar
    How come nobody came up with the idea that possibly thouusands of foreign born but US TRAINED NURSES are already here and they could start working right away given the opportunity by the government? Why not create such provisions so such nurses could alleviate the growing nursing shortage?
  3. t-cell's Avatar
    "How come nobody came up with the idea that possibly thouusands of foreign born but US TRAINED NURSES are already here and they could start working right away given the opportunity by the government? Why not create such provisions so such nurses could alleviate the growing nursing shortage?"

    I think you are a little bit confused. If special visas specific for nurses and PTs will be introduced, it already includes all nurses that are not US Citizens or permanent residents already whether they are trained in the US or not.

    So, there is no need for another bill that is very narrow such as only benefiting foreign nationals that are trained in the US only.

  4. guest's Avatar
    To t-cell. I am not confused, but you do not know what I meant. I did not mean special visa, but sort of law provisions that after you graduate from nursing school in the US you will be able to fast track green card application and get work authorization right away so US hospitals could get these thousands of foreign born nurses to work. I know you will tell me but there is OPT - so I will answer that soemtimes it is very hard to find work and OPT time is running. And then when you eventually get the job, you are only left with portion of OPT time, and unfortunatelly you get cought with retrogression which today, even got worse - went back to 2003 for EB3. Now tell me what employer (hospital) wants to hassle with that and start sponsoring you and wait years while they need nurses right now?
  5. t-cell's Avatar
    "To t-cell. I am not confused, but you do not know what I meant. I did not mean special visa, but sort of law provisions that after you graduate from nursing school in the US you will be able to fast track green card application and get work authorization right away so US hospitals could get these thousands of foreign born nurses to work. I know you will tell me but there is OPT - so I will answer that soemtimes it is very hard to find work and OPT time is running. And then when you eventually get the job, you are only left with portion of OPT time, and unfortunatelly you get cought with retrogression which today, even got worse - went back to 2003 for EB3. Now tell me what employer (hospital) wants to hassle with that and start sponsoring you and wait years while they need nurses right now?"

    That is what I am trying to say. Obviously there is no law for what you are saying and there will be no law as narrow as what you want. If there will be any law, it will be benefiting all nurses regardless if trained in the US or not.

    I do not think anyone is even considering such a narrow law that only serves specifically F1 non-immigrant student nurse visas.



  6. t-cell's Avatar
    "To t-cell. I am not confused, but you do not know what I meant. I did not mean special visa, but sort of law provisions that after you graduate from nursing school in the US you will be able to fast track green card application and get work authorization right away so US hospitals could get these thousands of foreign born nurses to work. I know you will tell me but there is OPT - so I will answer that soemtimes it is very hard to find work and OPT time is running. And then when you eventually get the job, you are only left with portion of OPT time, and unfortunatelly you get cought with retrogression which today, even got worse - went back to 2003 for EB3. Now tell me what employer (hospital) wants to hassle with that and start sponsoring you and wait years while they need nurses right now?"

    I actually know what you mean. And what I really meant for 'special visas' is the fast track GC you are talking about as well. Sorry if I did not make it more clearer. There are no real 'special visas'.

    But like I said, a law you are proposing that only benefits US trained nurses by your own words is not even considered and if there will a another fast track GC application it will include both those trained in the US and outside the US.

    You can ask Greg if what you propose is even being considered now. All bills for another fast track GC application for nurses in the past year or so are all for BOTH US trained and those educated outside the US.

  7. sagar's Avatar
    If new legislation introduced within few weeks, when r u hoping it became law? Any prediction..?
  8. guest's Avatar
    t-cell I know that there is no talk about such provisions, but maybe it is the right time that somebody points that out as an opportunity for the US hospitals to get possibly thouisands of US trained nurses very quickly into the workforce. But looking at the visa bulletin retrogressing 2years more it is very sad to both nurses and their prospective employers. Another thing - just by extending other visa cathegories, why government does not consider bringing back Schedule A into the law? ZSeems like that would be the easiest way.
  9. t-cell's Avatar
    "t-cell I know that there is no talk about such provisions, but maybe it is the right time that somebody points that out as an opportunity for the US hospitals to get possibly thouisands of US trained nurses very quickly into the workforce. But looking at the visa bulletin retrogressing 2years more it is very sad to both nurses and their prospective employers. Another thing - just by extending other visa cathegories, why government does not consider bringing back Schedule A into the law? ZSeems like that would be the easiest way."

    Agree with you about the Schedule A. They will be re-introducing that in the next few weeks per Greg Siskind and Chris Musilo. And that will cover both US trained and foreign-educated nurses. There is really no use to just propose a law that only covers either one when both can be covered.

    How would you feel if someone says that there should be a law provision that will cover only foreign-educated nurses and make an argument that F1 students have a non-dual intent clause??
  10. guest's Avatar
    I hope that you are right that such legislation will be reintroduced quickly to solve the problem. I'm just thinking that if they time by time extend the law for example related to EB5 or religious workers or physicians program, why aren't nurses taken into consideration?
  11. George Chell's Avatar
    All I know is the fact, at present I am doing my annual check up abroad in another developed country. If they dont fix the nursing shortage, I may do surgeries abroad too, if it shall come to pass. I really hope not to become a statistic.
  12. t-cell's Avatar
    "I hope that you are right that such legislation will be reintroduced quickly to solve the problem. I'm just thinking that if they time by time extend the law for example related to EB5 or religious workers or physicians program, why aren't nurses taken into consideration?"

    No, it's not me per se saying that but just relaying what Greg Siskind and Cris Mussilo (http://blogs.ilw.com/hammondlawgroup/) are saying.

    Question is, will the US Congress pass it and will Pres. Obama sign it if the bill is not veto-proof.

    The Schedule A Visa category for nurses and PTs is traditionally been temporary. The last time Schedule A category was available was in Nov. 2006. It wasn't renewed since then (It's March, 2009 now)and every year a bill to bring it back were unsuccessful. The bill they will re-introduce soon is the new 2009 version. Hopefully, people will support it. I think US Citizen patients and those very concern about the nursing shortage in the US like Mr. George Chell should write to their Representatives that they want them to support it.


  13. George Chell's Avatar
    I think Obama will sign it if the Congress passes it, because Obama does not want blood of the patients in his hands! But, the question mark is the congress.
  14. Jim's Avatar
    "I think Obama will sign it if the Congress passes it, because Obama does not want blood of the patients in his hands! But, the question mark is the congress."

    I hope you are right, Sir.

    The reason why some people aren't too confident about Pres. Obama is because of his ties with unions and nursing unions in the US and other groups are against nurse immigration. They have been doing lots of delaying tactics as well so that it doesn't even get to the floor for voting w/c is why Schedule A (nurse and Physical therapists) category wasn't brought back in 2007 and 2008.

    Hope it finally gets to the floor for voting.
  15. Raji's Avatar
    Greg,

    Any progress in introduction of 2009 version of HR 5924. Is there any chance for the bill to be presented in March 2009.
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