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BREAKING NEWS: ILLEGALLY PRESENT WORKERS CLEANING THE CHERTOFF HOUSE

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Unbelievable! Turns out the firm contracted to clean the Secretary of Homeland Security's Home was hiring workers unauthorized to be in the US.

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  1. hmm's Avatar
    It is like saying that Chertoff cannot eat an apple unless he is absolutely certain it was grown, picked, and delivered exclusively by US citizens. I am sure US Government employs "unauthorized immigrants". Can poor Chertoff use government services? The whole matter is ridiculous. I doubt any person in this country can be certain he does not use services of "unauthorized immigrants".
  2. George Chell's Avatar
    Typical Republicans! And if the economy does not recovery by late 2009 we all would be vying for those jobs!
  3. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    hmm, yeah, that's kind of the point - if someone is good enough to clean Chertoff's and other high government officials' houses, how come they are not good enough to get legal status in this country? There are a lot of US citizens Chertoff would not trust to roam freely inside his house.
  4. Grace's Avatar
    I'm sorry for this employer, but the guy was an idiot. It's been law to complete Form I-9 for every employee for over 20 years. He skipped this for many workers because he "knew" they were US citizens, or he assumed that the DHS clearance for security was proof that they were authorized.

    While I'm sorry they've made an example of him, he could have minimized the fine and the problems if he had simply done the paperwork that is required for every new hire. Most the penalties cited in the article for paperwork violations. I don't see a reason for this employer to get a pass because he thinks it's "too hard". Millions of other employers do it, and there is plenty of information and guidance available on how to properly I-9 employees.

    Also, how stupid do you have to be to not I-9 employees who will be working at a DHS location?
  5. hmm's Avatar
    LNLW: no, the point is that Chertoff's security messed up. Or maybe they only checked the people who actually came to Chertoff's home rather than all employees of the cleaning firm; this sound more likely. I could not access the first page in the article; did it say that any unauthorized immigrants actually cleaned his house? Again, this whole matter is ridiculous. We all breath the same air as sex offenders, serial killers, and corrupted government officials, is the air tainted?
  6. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    hmm, but that's exactly the point - we all breathe the same air, we all eat the same food, and we all drink the same water. We all have contact with illegal immigrants. Unless Chertoff grows his own vegetables, cooks his own food, never goes to a restaurant, never stays in a hotel, and never drives on a public road, he will, like all of us, consume the fruits of illegal immigrant labor. It's not about illegals somehow being "bad", it's about the system being stupid. We don't breathe out of an oxigen ballon just because murderers breathe the same air, don't we?
  7. hmm's Avatar
    LNLW: What I am missing is how this implies that those immigrants should be legalized? There are millions of people worldwide who would love to come to US, and we all breath the same air, and we eat foreign-made food, and wear foreign-made pants, why does this mean anything in regards to immigration status.

    And btw, the system is not stupid at all. Immigrants are not easily legalized to ensure they could be exploited for a long long time.
  8. JoeF's Avatar
    hmm:
    The article states (on the first page, just use the "1" link at the bottom) that 5 of the people he didn't check legality were cleaning Chertoff's house.
    The Secret Service says they only conduct security checks, not immigration checks. Of course, it would be interesting what kind of "security checks" they can run, other than name checks, if they got fake SSNs, for example. And even for name checks, how would they know the names are not faked? If they ask for copies of drivers licenses, how would they know if they are fake?
    This shows that the whole system is broken.

  9. George Chell's Avatar
    "There are millions of people worldwide who would love to come to US, and we all breath the same air, and we eat foreign-made food, and wear foreign-made pants, why does this mean anything in regards to immigration status."

    I dont think that is the case now...2008 and 2009 data are likely to show that more people left the US than came in and last year the number of applications to come to the US on a permanent basis dropped and is likely to drop further..and this is legal immigration.
  10. 's Avatar

    This is ridiculous. If this cleaning firm didnt find legal workers they could have easily contacted ex Congressman Tom Tancrendo. He know where to find legal US citizens willing to work.
  11. George Chell's Avatar
    "This is ridiculous. If this cleaning firm didnt find legal workers they could have easily contacted ex Congressman Tom Tancrendo. He know where to find legal US citizens willing to work."

    May be Tancredo himself may do the cleaning now that he is out of a job and perhaps he can bring in some of his constituents from Littleton, Colorado.
  12. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    "There are millions of people worldwide who would love to come to US, and we all breath the same air, and we eat foreign-made food, and wear foreign-made pants, why does this mean anything in regards to immigration status"

    Based on the research I have seen, there are only 120 million people in the world who would potentially consider living in a different country. Half of them, of course, want to move to Paris.

    Jokes aside, there are not that many people in the world who want to immigrate, and for most of them the good ole USA is not even in the running.
  13. hmm's Avatar
    "Based on the research I have seen, there are only 120 million people in the world who would potentially consider living in a different country."

    I agree, what I said was not based on research. I just have heard that millions of people in China, India, in lots of African countries do not get to eat every day. Here they would stand a better chance. I personally know many people who want to immigrate to US but cannot. Walking across the desert is damn hard, swimming across the ocean is impossible. When one talks hunger, extreme poverty, war, preferences and considerations become irrelevant. I am sure your research was not conducted in Congo, or Iraq: there are 90 million people living in these two countries, but that's just tip of the iceberg. There was time when almost everyone I knew in my home country considered immigration. Lots of people stayed as the economy got better. I bet 10 percent of people in Congo or Iraq would immigrate just to escape the war. That's 9M.
  14. hmm's Avatar
    In fact green card lottery give some hint on the number of people who want to immigrate to US. It is several millions each year: http://www.usafis.org/green_card/prev_years.asp and look at the list of ineligible countries:

    Brazil, Canada, China (mainland-born), Colombia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, India, Jamaica, Mexico, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, Poland, South Korea, United Kingdom (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and Vietnam.
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