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  1. George Chell's Avatar
    If Americans do as lousy a job as all those bankers and air line industry executives perhaps no American need apply or even if they apply they should not be hired.
  2. disgusted's Avatar
    I don't believe in any religion but I wish I do. Lou will and should rot in pure hell. What an A.H! He has no shame, no sense of proportion, no fairness.
  3. Dan's Avatar
    I wonder where did Lou get the title "No American need apply". That is already putting bias into the report.
  4. paul's Avatar
    As much as I disagree with him, I think he is right about one thing --- 8 out of the top 10 H-1B sponsoring companies are Indian consulting companies and body-shops. I hope lawmakers will keep that in mind if they ever decide to consider proposals for removing EB immigration per-country caps.
  5. George Chell's Avatar
    "As much as I disagree with him, I think he is right about one thing --- 8 out of the top 10 H-1B sponsoring companies are Indian consulting companies and body-shops."

    Evidence please on 8 out of 10.

  6. not that simple's Avatar
    i don't see why.
    if the h1 law is broken or is simply not enforced, then...enforce it...or tweak it. none of that justifies country quotas in EB immigration. why should i wait 10 years for being born in the wrong country when others exactly like me are always current? i guess discrimination is ok if it benefits you.
    btw the 8/10 statistic is misleading, you may wish to do your own research. 8 of the top 10 may be indian firms but they don't take the majority of the H1 visas available, simply because there are so many other firms getting visas. i guess Lou speaks to you when he strikes a personal cord..otherwise you won't believe him (when it does not suit you)....talk about selective hearing!
  7. Sid's Avatar
    IMO, the more relevant statistics w.r.t. EB immigration is that the major filers of PERM are American companies like Microsoft, Intel, Cisco, Oracle & Google.
  8. not that simple's Avatar

    btw paul, the whole argument about bodyshoppers (the lou and co. pov) is that they take jobs AWAY from america- they use the H1B as a method for outsourcing. so what does EB have to do with the bodyshoppers in that case?

    it comes down to this- because country quotas push you ahead in line and make someone else wait longer- you love them. tomorrow though, they will find some restrictions for you too- never fear...

    what was that about...when they came for the communists, i was silent because i wasn't one....familiar?
  9. paul's Avatar
    >> if the h1 law is broken or is simply not enforced, then...enforce it...or tweak it. none of that justifies country quotas in EB immigration. why should i wait 10 years for being born in the wrong country when others exactly like me are always current? i guess discrimination is ok if it benefits you.

    That's right. You should argue for enforcing the law and stopping the abuse. If that happens, you won't have to wait 10 years.

    Nobody is arguing for introducing quotas here. They are a part of the law since it was written to allow anybody here. There is no discrimination in this law since every country is given equal percentage. This is to ensure for diversity -- again part of the law for all immigration categories and types (not just family based immigration or the lottery), and that no political or socio-economic anomalies will cause one country to send disproportionately many immigrants.

    If you feel "discriminated" against, you should blame people and companies from your own country who commit fraud (the body shops and people with fake 3-year degrees and false resumes who come to consult on H-1B visas and sit "benched" for months). Again these country caps have nothing to do with employment. You can work as much as you want and get extensions, and you can go home if you don't like it. The H-1B is temporary. Just because you want permanent residence real quick and it's not happening is not discrimination. (Should people in poor countries feel discriminated because there are other people in rich countries who have better life? It is not discrimination that you cannot go to any country and become a permanent resident. There are the rules. Deal with it!)


    >> it comes down to this- because country quotas push you ahead in line and make someone else wait longer- you love them. tomorrow though, they will find some restrictions for you too- never fear...

    You're getting this wrong. Country limits don't push me anywhere in the queue. I have my own category and you have your own category, and we are waiting in separate queues. This separation wouldn't be there at all if it were not for the excessively lopsided numbers of immigration from your category, which is due to unprecedented economic boom, universities spewing out thousands of unemployable "engineers" due to national economic policy to increase GDP by exporting labor, and fraudulent activity from numerous "consulting" firms. Blame the citizens of your own country and your own government for this.

    On the other hand, if country limits are removed, this will unjustly increase my waiting time. I made a decision to apply and stay on this queue based on the number of people before me and my total waiting time. You made your decision knowing full well what your category is like and decided to go ahead with it. Now you suddenly decided you don't want to wait, and started crying like a small child how things are unfair. Well, tough! I don't want to wait more just because you changed your mind. I don't care what your reasons are and I don't care about you arguments. I didn't change my mind, and I don't want to wait more than what I signed up for. Especially when I know the real reason for your wait, which I told you before (-- and no, the reason is not because XYZ-ian are so smart and nobody else in the world can do the job they're doing.)
  10. matts's Avatar
    Paul, call up Lou Dobbs for your few mins of fame & share your ridiculous views on his show.
  11. Kalifornian's Avatar
    Are these Indian companies too smart ? Why they happen to be top users of H1B as mentioned here ? WHy can't there be African, EU, etc companies here and beat down these Indian companies on 'who can supply the brighest person' for the job ?
  12. kumar's Avatar
    "Are these Indian companies too smart ? Why they happen to be top users of H1B as mentioned here ? WHy can't there be African, EU, etc companies here and beat down these Indian companies on 'who can supply the brighest person' for the job ?"


    Obviously, because Indians are the smartest people in the world, while Africans are dumb, and Europeans are too lazy. It is a shame that the smartest doctors, engineers and mathematicians from India are discriminated against (especially in EB3 category)
  13. matts's Avatar
    The majority Chinese do not speak English, if they did US would have been steam rolled by the influx of Chinese talent on EB , Indians are at an advantage here b'cos of the language factor & of course they are smart. Why should a person be discriminated on the country of birth?

  14. EB- india's Avatar
    I have my own category and you have your own category, and we are waiting in separate queues.
    Posted by: paul | June 28, 2008 at 04:23 PM
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    Yeahh...you are in your god given separate category, the rest of your irrational outburst , entitlement rant should be ignored. Already lawmakers, fair minded Americans who run the show have realized how unfair the system is and some steps have been implemented, more on the way.

    "Body shops", Indian companies "abusing" H1B should be dealt with separately. Most aplicants- MDs, Phds, faculty from India and China in EB-2 have nothing to do with these issues.
  15. Deb's Avatar
    I work with Canadian cos. who have blanket TNs from Canada. No limits. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of Canadians working here who are not on H1B. Since they "walk and talk" American, they are usually out of the foreign worker/H1B focus.
  16. paul's Avatar
    >> The majority Chinese do not speak English

    Obviously, you don't either...

    >> Indians are at an advantage here b'cos of the language factor & of course they are smart.

    Of course.
  17. kumar's Avatar
    "I have my own category and you have your own category, and we are waiting in separate queues.
    Posted by: paul | June 28, 2008 at 04:23 PM "

    Haha! I drink your milkshake! I drink it up!
  18. BeeDee's Avatar
    "You made your decision knowing full well what your category is like and decided to go ahead with it."

    It is natural that a recent applicant might think like this. But this is fiction except for recent applicants in the retrogressed categories. All employment based categories except the EB3-Other workers category were current between June 2001 and September 2005. Thus people who applied in those 4 years made decisions based on bad information put out in the Visa Bulletin.
  19. not that simple's Avatar
    "All employment based categories except the EB3-Other workers category were current between June 2001 and September 2005. Thus people who applied in those 4 years made decisions based on bad information put out in the Visa Bulletin."

    exactly!
    all the while i trained here, there were no backlogs, at least none of substance. anyway why presume i have anything to do with "bodyshoppers"? or even that i am an engineer? i see only one spoilt child here paul- too bad that toy will eventually be taken away.

    and i cannot blame "other citizens or my government". i came here as an individual as did you. i trained and got a job as "me" not as a generic indian. no one gave me a special position because of where i was born. so why does it matter what my countrymen are doing? my immigration application has nothing to do with them. comes back to the same thing...waaa waaa waa...mommy he's trying to take his toy back...i want it...i want it...
  20. Sound the sirens it's a LOU DOBBS fan!'s Avatar

    Folks,

    We have a Dobbs clone here. Same language, same complaints. No evidence. The usual story, Let me in and I promise to close the gates behind.
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