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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

ANOTHER VALEDICTORIAN TOLD TO SHIP OUT

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Well, isn't America really better off? These people are just lazy and just want our welfare, right? This kid is a lawbreaker and who really cares if he came to the US at age two and doesn't even know the language of his native Armenia.



Sadly, these are just the arguments you'll hear the antis make. I'm sure I'll see a few of this nature in the comments. Seriously, isn't it time to pass the DREAM Act?

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  1. WhatGreg's Avatar
    Greg:

    How can you be so blind to the law that they have broken? Good grades is one thing, but the very least you can do is acknowledge that this kid's parents did something wrong by overstaying their visa. They appealed but the US Justice system did not believe they had a valid case. Period.

    Are you saying unless the US Justice system rules along the lines of YOUR reasoning, they are all morons? You are as rigid as the antis. Sad, but true.
  2. Dan's Avatar
    Well Greg, you got one same comment already...are you a prophet or what?
  3. not that simple's Avatar
    I think Greg is clearly asking for a new law- in other words he accepts the law was broken and believes the flawed current law does more harm than good when it comes to the child. Does everything have to be said in kindergarten language for you guys to understand?
  4. Carol's Avatar
    I Totally agree with greg this is nonsense punish the parents cause they are adults and have sense to no what they are doing not a two year old child and many under age kids that are grown and could look after there self and say mom and dad you go am staying back they don't even know what is taking place.I get so tired hearing people talking rubbish just to talk and not relizing the real issue here.Am not saying that we must just approve every case but some cases like when kids show achievements and lots of had work etc what else.Some of you all thats venting vent well cause i hope that in your lifetime you all have never did any thing wrong and if in your lifetime when you do and you would like for some one to give you a chance then you all will see how it feel especially when it might be your first offense karma is alive and well.I have seen and heard that most of these opinions comes from personal feeling and not looking at the real fact.You never no what situation one might end up in life is funny.
  5. hmm's Avatar
    I often dream that this country had simple and predictable immigration policy. Unfortunately, in the last 50 years things have been going in the opposite direction -- immigration laws have become incredibly complex and Congress constantly tries to make them even more complicated. The more complex it becomes, the more power goes to the Government, the more we depend on help of immigration attorneys, the more we depend on judges whose decisions are based on case law in the particular region of the country where they live (even though Immigration Law is federal). I sympathize with Dream Act goals, yet I hate the fact that it is another one-time-solution, another way to complicate things. Is this complexity inevitable? Why could not we have it simple, say as in Canada. But then some say that the immigration system works better here in the US in the sense that we get more diverse and loyal immigrant population. So I am thinking maybe all this mess is here on purpose, to serve as a filter. Then all of the ad hoc laws, such as Dream Act, suddenly start to make sense. Namely, these kids have grown up here, lived in the shadows, suffered, and yet they stayed on, so let's give them a chance; they deserve it.

    For those of you who say they have broken laws: have you guys ever drove above the speed limit? Oh, I bet you do that every day, so shut up, you dirty law-breakers.

    Nevertheless, the right attitude about breaking laws is that if you do it, be ready to face the consequences, and do no whine in the process. Yes, life is unfair. Better get used to it.
  6. USC's Avatar
    "How can you be so blind to the law that they have broken?"

    Sure. The two year conspired with its parents to illegally sneak across the border. Thus, we should punish the kid. (/sarcasm off)
  7. The Avenger's Avatar
    Are you kidding me? We should throw the kid in jail along with the parents. How dared they break the law. This is simply unacceptable.
    They should go back to their country, get in line, and come through the legal channels. Why don't people do just that?
  8. WhatGreg's Avatar
    This is precisely why the concept of "Anchor Child" (howmuchever derogatory it sounds) came up. Parents expect to be absolved of their sins just because they have a child. Let's rewrite the US Laws to make sure parents who commit murders, arson, theft, etc are never convicted.
  9. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    No need to respond. The comments speak for themselves. Here's another reaction to something I posted on the blog that also brought out the best in people = http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=73831 .

  10. Dan's Avatar
    As the bible says:

    The father should not be punished for the sin of the son, nor the son be punished for the sin of the father. The one who sins shall die. 2 Chronicle 25:3
  11. not that simple's Avatar
    "This is precisely why the concept of "Anchor Child" (howmuchever derogatory it sounds) came up. Parents expect to be absolved of their sins just because they have a child. Let's rewrite the US Laws to make sure parents who commit murders, arson, theft, etc are never convicted."

    i guess kindergarten was the key word for you.
    i do not see a word here about absolving the parents. neither does DREAM propose it. this topic is about the child who is not responsible and is being thrown out of the only home he knows to a country of his ancestors, where he does not even speak the language.

  12. hmm's Avatar
    To be fair the argument "they don't even speak the language" strikes me as plain cheating. Why don't they? All Latino kids I have seen speak their language (if they have any language difficulty, it is the English), same goes for Chinese/Korean kids. Regardless of anything, their parents (and the children themselves once they get older) must realize that their stay in the US might come to an abrupt end, hence they need make an effort to learn their parents language. I taught my kids my native language even though they were born here, because until recently my status here was temporary and there has been always a chance that I may go back (taking kids with me of course). Now it seems hard to believe but the parents and the kids may have been careless here, and forgot they language, well anyway it is quite common when people suffer because they have been careless.

    Now it IS true that the kids do not know the realities of their homeland. But the same is true about myself after spending half of my life here, say I never worked in my home country, what do I know? It would be very hard for me to go back now, trust me.
  13. hmm's Avatar
    More seriously, I think that in place of Dream Act it would be better to have a simple law that whoever spends in the US some number of year (say 15) and has no criminal record is eligible for a green card. I think 15 years is enough to be considered assimilated. There should be penalty for immigration violations either in monetary form, or as delayed opportunity to adjust status (say 3 year delay for visa overstay, 5 year for fence jumping etc, plus processing time of course). Those who were brought in the country where they are children should get no delay at all, as victims of illegal human traffic).

    All this nonsense about who gets good grades at school is irrelevant, I think. I mean why on earth being a valedictorian makes you a better person, or makes you more useful for the society. For all I know educated people are not in high demand in this country, some cannot even find jobs. By contrast, farm/construction workers are in high demand.

  14. George chell's Avatar
    "Are you saying unless the US Justice system rules along the lines of YOUR reasoning, they are all morons? You are as rigid as the antis. Sad, but true."

    Law of economics should override the US government law. Anyone enacting law that harms the US is a moron. When it comes between the law of economics and the US law to hell with the US law.
  15. BeeDee's Avatar
    "To be fair the argument "they don't even speak the language" strikes me as plain cheating."

    Yes, I suspect that's a weak argument because many Americans including those from European stock (i.e. the majority) are used to dealing with multiple languages.

    As the article indicates, we have 2nd and 3rd generation European-Americans looking to preserve their European citizenship because economic prospects in Europe look better today. Obviously the language issue for these European-Americans is not large enough to prevent potential emigration from the US at some point even after a generation or two has passed. Thus any sympathy for the DREAM act based on an argument that people don't speak the language in their home country is likely to be diluted by the fact that the majority of Americans are used to this kind of arrangement.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2008/06/07/s1a_dual_citizenship_0608.html
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