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HOUSE CONSIDERS GREEN CARD RECAPTURE BILL

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House Immigration Subcommittee Chair Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) and Former House Judiciary Committee Chair James Sensenbrenner (R-WI) have co-sponsored HR 5882, a bill that would recapture wasted green cards for the past 15 years. The bill also provides for the automatic recapturing of unused numbers in the future. The bill is a great first start to dealing with the inadequate number of green cards for skilled and professional workers in the US. The fact that James Sensenbrenner, long associated with restrictionist immigration bills, is a co-sponsor is an indication the bill has broad support. The bill can be downloaded here. Download hrn_5882.pdf

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  1. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    "The bill also provides for the automatic recapturing of unused numbers in the future."

    Wow, that's really good news! I hope very much this bill will pass.
  2. Another voice's Avatar
    Great news but if James Sensenbrenner is co-sponsoring an immigration law, there may be some funny business in small print somewhere in the law for this guy to like it.
  3. Ranjiv's Avatar
    Unfortunately, the Hispanic Caucus is going to kill it again as usual. It's never too late for the undocumented immigrant lobby to stab EB immigrants in the back as they've always done. (As far as I remember there was even an AILA news update saying they have already secured the agreement of the Democrats to block the bill until comprehensive immigration reform starts.)
  4. University of Colorado's Avatar
    Thought some of you may be interested in an article by a University of Colorado economics professors and colleagues titled

    "The Contribution of International Graduate Students to US Innovation"

    which is supposed to come out in print later this year...

    http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/toc/roie/0/0

    If this bill does not pass this year, it will next with or without the Hispanic lobby.
  5. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    Ranjiv, maybe if the "legal lobby" have been a tad more excited (as in "not whining all over") about the DREAM act, the Hispanic caucus would be less inclined to return the favor.
  6. FYI's Avatar
    "Ranjiv, maybe if the "legal lobby" have been a tad more excited (as in "not whining all over") about the DREAM act, the Hispanic caucus would be less inclined to return the favor."

    Hispanic caucus never cares about legal immigration. They just care about legalization of millions of their own. As far as I know no one in "legal lobby" called their congressmen to oppose the Dream act. BTW the guy who sponsored the Dream act (Dick Durbin) is a biggest hypocrite ...
  7. 's Avatar
    I hope this recapture will see the light, if it's implemented, it is likely that EB becomes current. The out going USCIS Ombudsman mentioned in a report that there are over 600000 unused visa numbers, am not sure if its in the last 15 year.
  8. Ranjiv's Avatar
    Legal and no longer waiting:

    We're not talking about excitement here but about outright hostility. I doubt anyone from the EB immigration lobby has ever tried to oppose any of the DREAM or amnesty bills. In most cases, legal immigrants just DON'T CARE about these bill. Yes, people whine on forums, but whining hasn't caused the failure of these bills. The DREAM act and the other bills failed because the illegal immigration lobby shot itself in the foot.

    I wonder where are Greg and all the others who were lecturing about how immigrants should be united, to tell this to the Hispanic Caucus. Or maybe you mean this cooperation between immigrants should only work one way?
  9. Ranjiv's Avatar
    BTW here is the first paragraph from ILW.com email newsletter:

    "Recent news reports indicate that the Congressional Hispanic Caucus has secured the House Democratic leadership's agreement that none of several enforcement and employment immigration benefit expansion bills lately introduced would move forward to a hearing or a committee vote. Doubtless, advocates of employment based immigration and increased immigration enforcement will try to attach their pet provisions to must-pass legislation later this year. However, we believe it is unlikely that any benefit or enforcement bill will be acted upon without confronting the elephant in the room - legalization. Last month, comprehensive immigration reform was within about 30 House votes of passage - that was the margin by which the discharge petition for the Shuler enforcement bill fell short. It is instructive to note that the House Hispanic Caucus was prepared to accept a 5-year temporary status for the undocumented if the Shuler enforcement bill had moved to a floor vote. This marks a significant concession by the Hispanic Caucus in that they did not seek a path to permanent residency, and also shows how serious the Caucus is in insisting that nothing significant on immigration move without legalization (which apparently now means a temporary status, not a permanent one).
    The political situation of the three legs of the immigration stool - legalization, increases in employment immigration, and enforcement is as follows.
    ..."
  10. Kalifornian's Avatar
    Any benefit given to legal immigrant community is an insult to the paperless immigrant community. What is so special being legal ? The earth belongs to everybody.
  11. Lou's Avatar

    AILA does not care a bit about these employment based bills, as it does not help them a bit ( in fact it hurt them). so they generally talk about big elephant (illegal bill), where the money is..
  12. KALIFORNIA's Avatar
    "Any benefit given to legal immigrant community is an insult to the paperless immigrant community. What is so special being legal ? The earth belongs to everybody. "

    There is no special benifit being givene to legal immigrant community here . The Congress is just trying to pick what went waste and trying feed the ones in line.

    "The earth belongs to everybody. "

    You guys may think whole southwest of U.S belongs to you but thats a different debate altogether.


    Dont blame legal immigrants for not having a floor debate about the legalization of any sorts. Your own hispanic caucus called the leadership of congress as "spineless".
  13. Ranjiv's Avatar
    >>> "Any benefit given to legal immigrant community is an insult to the paperless immigrant community. What is so special being legal ? The earth belongs to everybody."

    Uhm, like obeying the laws maybe, hello? (And btw, if you do think there's nothing special about being legal, then why do you want legal status?)

    And since when has putting the cart in front of the horse ever worked? If illegal immigrants are serious about ever obtaining legal status and going through the legal immigration channels like the rest of us do, they should think twice about sabotaging legislation designed to improve those exact same channels.
  14. hmm's Avatar
    Glad to hear that "House Hispanic Caucus was prepared to accept a 5-year temporary status for the undocumented immigrants". As long as this temporary status is dual intent, and as long as nobody is letting unauthorized immigrants through the back door (say by removing country quotas for Mexico while keeping it for India, China etc), I cannot be happier.

    Incidentally, this would make unauthorized immigrants in the same boat as H1B's, namely they would become EB immigrants so all this EB vs illegal nonsense will be gone.

    Unfortunately, I fear none of this will happen, and the law will be full of idiotic exceptions for the stronger parties, and other "bargains", in which amount of unnecessary pain is shared by all weaker parties.
  15. D's Avatar
    "And btw, if you do think there's nothing special about being legal, then why do you want legal status?"

    Thats a very valid point ..
  16. hmm's Avatar
    Oh, my, don't you see that the post

    "Any benefit given to legal immigrant community is an insult to the paperless immigrant community. What is so special being legal ? The earth belongs to everybody."

    is either sarcasm or provocation depending how you look at it? Misplaced your sense of humor?
  17. Another voice's Avatar
    It all boils down to how many voters can you make out of legalizing people. If you legalize 12-20 million people and you are able to get half of them to vote for your party for life that would be a huge payday politically and that is why this people prefer the bills that would legalized the undocumented workers is just a bigger prize.
  18. Stupid for being legal's Avatar
    'Hispanic caucus never cares about legal immigration. They just care about legalization of millions of their own. '

    They are clear that a bill considers illegals only will never pass. That is why they are always holding legals as a hostage. What a bunch of *******s

  19. Legal and no longer waiting's Avatar
    "We're not talking about excitement here but about outright hostility."

    Yes, I agree, downright hostility - on your side.

    Remember, you cannot control their actions - you can only your own actions. As long as you speak of other people like they are a lower cast, they will be hostile to you. There is only one way around this situation, and please don't pretend that you do no know it.
  20. limbo's Avatar
    It seems pretty clear to me that the Hispanic caucus in congress is going to scuttle this legislation, again holding legal immigrants hostage to what amounts basically to self-serving and selfish blackmail.

    Some of you guys are confusing two issues here, immigration policy and aid for the less fortunate. Immigration laws should be designed to allow for the orderly entry of immigrants into the country in a way that gives the greatest benefit to the nation receiving the immigrants while at the same time respecting the rights of those legally immigrating. Immigration laws need to be both fair and impartially enforced.

    A charitable social policy is one that aims to help people less fortunate to climb out of a bad economic or political situation that is not of their making. This may include allowing economic and political "refugees" to come to the U.S. to work or even live permanently. Most Americans, in my estimation, would say this is a worthy policy that should be pursued.

    Bottom line, using illegal immigration as some kind of charitable help for people less fortunate is just idiotic and leads to chaos and hardship for just about everyone involved. Until some people get this through their thick heads, nothing will ever change.
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