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GOVERNOR SIGNS MICHIGAN DRIVERS LICENSE FIX

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  1. indianGuy's Avatar
    "LEGAL" immigrants should understand that the anti-illegal immigration movement was not and is not about them. 99% of the US population wants more "LEGAL" immigrants to come to this country.

    Not much has been done over the last few years for their relief because the illegal lobby insisted on clubbing legal and illegals issues together. They did that because they know that their cause is an unpopular one and they wanted to see if they could somehow piggyback on legal immigrants' causes.

    I remember there was such an uproar in this blog when this Michigan law was enacted. People like Greg used this to convince "LEGAL"s that their fate is somehow tied to the fate of the illegals. It's not.

    Kudos to Greg though for being honest and posting this news.
  2. JoeF's Avatar
    Actually, you are wrong.
    A large part of the anti-immigrants don't want ANY immigration, neither legal nor illegal.
    You just need to look at the anti-H1 crowd.
    If what you say was true, how do you explain their fiery opposition to increase the H1 quota?
  3. b's Avatar
    "Actually, you are wrong...."

    Agree that the anti-illegals only provide lip service when they say amnesty would be unfair to those patiently waiting in line. Because these same people do not do a thing to help those legally waiting in line.

    Then again the undocumented issue has completely eclipsed problems faced by EB GC, and some "pro-immigrants" are actively against EB GC. So, I think EB GCs need to differentiate themselves from the undocumented.
  4. b's Avatar
    Wanted to make sure I am not the "indianGuy". Things are so crazy here that even anonymous posters demand that others should reveal their true identity and make a name for themselves.
  5. JoeF's Avatar
    "Because these same people do not do a thing to help those legally waiting in line."
    Not only that, but they actively work against legal immigration. An increase of the H1 quota is urgently needed, yet, these antis are very actively lobbying against an H1 increase.

    "some "pro-immigrants" are actively against EB GC"

    I have yet to see something like that. And I venture that people who say something like that are more like mules, trying to discredit the pro-immigration people.
  6. b's Avatar
    JoeF, I didn't write about H1B. In any event read your own comments on H1B and compare/read/see what Senator Durbin have said, and decide on my comments about "pro-immigrants". I don't know where you are venturing to.

    I don't understand your logic of helping legals waiting in GC line and increasing H1B quota. Are you sure it helps? Because I surely don't see it. I say it potentially increases the number of EB GCs waiting in line.

    As far as I see CIR (linking undocumented and EB GC) did more harm than good for EB GC.
  7. JoeF's Avatar
    b:
    The H1B is part of the legal immigration things you wrote about. I used it as example because the intentions of most anti-immigrants to abolish ALL immigration is most visible there. They see the H1 as the easiest stone to topple.

    And as far as the CIR is concerned, may I ask what part of "Comprehensive" you don't understand? A comprehensive overhaul of the immigration law by its very nature has to deal with both legal an illegal immigration. Or are you happy with the piecemeal changes to immigration law that got us in this mess in the first place?
  8. b's Avatar
    "The H1B is part of the legal immigration things you wrote about. I used it as example because the intentions of most anti-immigrants to abolish ALL immigration is most visible there. They see the H1 as the easiest stone to topple."

    JoeF, cutting and pasting is easy but doesn't mean you should use it to put things out of context. Read my original comments again.

    I commented on antis using "legals waiting in line" as an excuse. Increasing H1B quota 1000 times does nothing to help reduce the wait. H1B is a NON-immigrant visa (with dual intent making the visa interview easier) just as an F1 visa as far as I understand. Check USCIS visa categories. You want to suggest increasing a non-immigrant visa as a solution to making the immigrant visa process smoother?!!??? H1B quota is a completely different issue (not that I am expressing opposition or anything).

    My second comment was about some "pro-immigrants" making things worse for EB GC. I gave you one example...its not my imagination. Others in this blog (Sid, Paskal for example) also write about it.

    "And as far as the CIR is concerned, ... "
    Nothing wrong with my comprehension. My problem with CIR is the "Reform" part. Like most people I think of reform as something that fixes the problem not make it worse. CIR would have made the already long EB GC wait much longer. Go check the analysis on IV website about the last CIR. Or even the comments on this blob from that time.

    Not related to my EB GC comment but your H1B issue. "pro-immigrant" DREAM supporters were claiming it would make the H1B program unnecessary by filling IT worker shortage. Okay fine. However, their selling point was these IT jobs would go to "Americanized" DREAM kids instead of the less desirable (I suppose) H1B foreign worker. Is this pro-immigrant to put down one immigrant group as less desirable than the others?

    My earlier conviction about EB GC issues getting lost in the immigration debate is made stronger by your comments.

    I am all for immigration reform but understand my personal connection to this debate is my own EB GC. Selfish or not, if my wait time is such that I am not even waiting in line here anymore, then I might as well be debating the immigration law in some other country that I DO NOT even intend to visit.
  9. b's Avatar
    JoeF, my long post is not meant as a personal attack on you.

    I think its important for non-Global-Antis (nGA), you heard it here folks, to appreciate that some issues facing EB GC are unique to this visa classification, and the retrogression is very severe.

    Powerful corporations are pushing for H1B quota increase. They will do just fine.

    IV is about the only organization addressing issues unique to EB GC. We need more friends.
  10. JoeF's Avatar
    b:
    "H1B is a NON-immigrant visa (with dual intent making the visa interview easier) just as an F1 visa as far as I understand. Check USCIS visa categories. You want to suggest increasing a non-immigrant visa as a solution to making the immigrant visa process smoother?!!??? H1B quota is a completely different issue (not that I am expressing opposition or anything)."

    I am sorry, but if you really believe what you wrote you are out of touch with reality.
    It is well known that for most people on H1, the H1 is a stepping stone towards the GC.
    And of course increasing the H1 quota is not enough, but, your focus on GC only is what I have seen at IEEE-USA, which lobbies hard against the H1, and pays lip-service to increases of GC numbers, but in actuality, doesn't do any lobbying to help the increase.
    In other words, it is hypocritical. And trying to separate illegal from legal immigration is also hypocritical. In fact, there are lots of people on H1 who at one time or another actually are illegal, e.g., when they are on bench without pay.
  11. b's Avatar
    "I am sorry, but if you really believe what you wrote you are out of touch with reality."

    JoeF, the reality is I am not going to live outside the purview of the law. This doesn't not mean I like the law or I am going to do nothing to change the part of the law I don't like. All of these can be done within the law.

    I cannot understand what your confusion is. You write disagreeing with me yet provide examples that support my view. More on this observation, below. Before you venture off in yet another direction to hang yourself with your views, you should stick to your comments to what I said and not try to imagine what I didn't say.

    Do not try to defend the indefensible. You tried to slip in increasing H1B as a solution to EB GC backlog. You agree its not a solution so just drop it.

    You disagreed with my comment on "pro-immigrants". I gave you the example of Senator Durbin and supporters of DREAM pissing down on H1B. So, I have proved my statement to be true. Thus, you should just withdraw your opposition to my comment that has been proven to be true. Hell you provide another example IE^3 that only seem to provide lip service to EB GC.

    Finally, you pretend that the immigration issues for the various groups is the same. It is not. Tell me o tell me how. There is no single silver bullet. The different category need different fixes. You can staple together all the solutions in a single folder (I have one of those big commercial staplers in my office if you want to borrow), and call it CIR if you find that name so ****.

    I have invested my chips with IV. IV doesn't attempt to solve world hunger, a noble cause, but focuses on solutions to EB GC. There are other immigration groups focusing on different solutions. Doesn't mean the different groups cannot come together on specific issues. But don't call me a hypocrite because I see you do not understand the meaning of the word.

    Just curious: What's your interest in this? Are you a natural born US citizen, a immigrant citizen, LPR, H1B, EB, GC, FB GC, ...?
  12. JoeF's Avatar
    b:
    "You write disagreeing with me yet provide examples that support my view."
    It is you who is confused.
    My position is clear and has always been clear: it is NOT possible to separate illegal and legal immigration. They are two sides of the same coin. We need both issues to be successful. Putting a wedge between both camps is what the antis try to do. Classical divide and conquer strategy. If you support that, then, I am sorry to say, you are doing the work for the antis. I really hope you don't speak for IV.
    And please, stop your ad-hominems. I can fire back in the same kind.
  13. JoeF's Avatar
    b:
    Oh, and it is also called "seeing the big picture," "seeing past the rim of one's teacup"...

    And to answer your other question, I am a naturalized citizen, my path was H1-EB2 GC.
    And my interest in this is the big picture.
  14. b's Avatar
    "I really hope you don't speak for IV."

    Why hope when you can visit ImmigrationVoice.org and look up its agenda.
  15. JoeF's Avatar
    b:
    "Why hope when you can visit ImmigrationVoice.org and look up its agenda."
    I don't think the IV agenda includes playing one group of immigrants against another...
  16. b's Avatar
    "I don't think the IV agenda includes playing one group of immigrants against another..."

    JoeF, neither is my agenda to play divisive game. You keep coming back with new accusations every time. I was very clear regarding the issues I am fighting for in this context (if you bother to check IV). Doesn't mean I go around sabotaging other issues. Care to shed light on the new accusation before putting a new label on me?
  17. JoeF's Avatar
    b:
    You stated that you didn't like the CIR...
  18. b's Avatar
    "You stated that you didn't like the CIR..."
    You are getting pretty good at putting things out of context.
    Care to read my earlier post why I didn't like CIR?

    Problem with CIR was it made EB GC situation much much worse. No Mother Teresa comments please. Why CIR did that? Pages have been discussed. Greg had some interesting thoughts. Simple truth is different groups of every political color got cooking, and compromises had to be made. CIR tried to be too many things to too many people. The end result: I (and others) went from cheering for it when it was introduced to sighing relief when it failed eventually.

    Come up with a CIR that fixes EB GC mess, I will support it.
  19. b's Avatar
    Correction: JoeF, come up with a CIR that fixes EB GC or even maintains status quo instead of messing it up more, I will support it.
  20. Sid's Avatar
    JoeF,

    It's true that IV did not support the EB GC related aspects of the 2007 CIR and tried to introduce amendments. The legals did not oppose legalization, only the provisions in the CIR that threatened to harm our own interests.
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