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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

DOBBS SHOW LABELED HATE PROMOTER BY CIVIL RIGHTS GROUP

Rating: 2 votes, 1.00 average.

Do you want to see Lou Dobbs' head explode? Watch this interview with civil rights group La Raza's President Janet Murguía who came to put Dobbs on warning that her organization is taking on a new campaign to drive hate speech from the cable news networks. Dobbs basically responds saying that La Raza is just an ethnocentric group looking out for it's own. Of course, he doesn't explain what the Anti-Defamation League's motivation is. ADL was created by the nation's Jewish community, hardly a group that will see many of its members directly benefit from a legalization program. Dobbs' characterization of the ADL as "a joke" will certainly offend many people who admire ADL's work over the years to fight hate in America.

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  1. George Chell's Avatar
    Big loss for Lou "the lunatic looser" Dobbs tonight as the McCain juggernaut gets closer to the GOP nomination.
  2. sdsfafs's Avatar
    Gandhi once said 'Be the change you want to see'!

    Wonder if Lou Dobbs has

    1. Owned or owns stock in companies which outsource or use work visas
    2. Wears or buys products made by companies which do not use foreign labor or outsource
    3. CNN sponsors H1b visas, ethically if they have not or do not pay 'prevailing wage', would he start an investigation and quit?
    4. hmmm, even the mic he talks into or camera he sees into is likely made in China or Japan!

    His hate speechs only fools the general public who don't invest in stocks or even sell them. I would be little surprised if he comes out open!
  3. ADL and La Raza are wrong's Avatar
    Needlessly and unfairly pulling the hate card. This is nothing more than a smear campaign/witch hunt - and it discredits both organizations.

    Dobbs will address these allegations tonight I am sure, now that Super Tuesday is finished.

    You guys jumping on this also look rather silly. This is divisive and discusting behavior on the part of La Raza and the ADL.
  4. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    Sorry, but ADL is one of the most respected organizations in the country and they have a nearly 100 year track record to point to. They will gain no points by taking on this issue as their donor base really is not concerned greatly with immigration. They're involved with this issue because it's simply morally the right thing to do.

    Incidentally, it's a complete joke when Dobbs claims to be in favor of more legal immigration. He has run story after story criticizing legal immigration programs - H-1B, H-2B, L-1, EB-5, you name it. He should at least be honest about that point. I've been monitoring Dobbs for three years now and while he covers immigration every night without exception, I have yet to see a story that would be considered pro-immigration in any respect.
  5. Nothing against the ADL's Avatar
    I don't agree with the ADL in their analysis - I find it completely unfair.

    La Raza has gone way too far. This isn't an issue of bad analysis anymore. This is an issue of an ethno-centric group - which they are - tossing around the hate card.

    It's like the pot calling the kettle black. Greg - do you support La Raza and everything they stand for? Hell, the ADL should investigate them.
  6. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    Explain to me again what the ADL's motivation is?
  7. ADL motivation?'s Avatar
    Not sure if they have an agenda (besides an anti-hate crusade which I support).

    La Raza clearly has an agenda. The ADL hasn't attacked Dobbs as far as I know as an individual. They attacked groups Dobbs has interviewed. I was troubled by ADL findings - it made me reconsider my support of certain groups (in thought only - I've never supported these groups financially and have to ties to them). But, there are also flaws in the ADL analysis. Out of caution, I have chosen not to associate with groups the ADL lists as hate groups.

    If I have a bone to pick, it's really with La Raza. They are just as much a hate group as any of the other groups are. Their tactics are divisive and discusting.
  8. texanmom's Avatar
    Lou Dobbs accuses La Raza of 'disbanding him' and 'getting him fired'. He knows in his heart that if La Raza is successful and the network watches who he brings on air,what he says and puts an end to his lies/ misrepresentation/ hate mongering, Lou Dobbs has nothing else to offer! His ratings are going to tank, and he is going to be pulled off prime spots. It is the equivalent firing him! Go La Raza !! We support you all the way!
  9. So you support hate groups also then's Avatar
    "Go La Raza !! We support you all the way!"

    At least you are honest about supporting a hate group. La Raza translates to "The Race" just in case you weren't sure if they were racist or not.
  10. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    Saying La Raza is racist is absurd. They advocate positions defending all immigrants, regardless of ethnicity or national origin. They are a civil rights group with a long and distinguished history so, of course, the groups that they point out as promoting hate would try to smear them. Show why what they're saying is false rather than attacking the messenger, and you'll have more credibility on this board.
  11. Another voice's Avatar
    This guy Lou Dobbs definetly can be acused of spreading hate talk on the airwaves. If Immigration reform ever becomes a reality he will have no show left. But CNN should definetly not have someone like Dobbs if they claim to be a reputable news organization.
  12. texanmom's Avatar
    What I am honest about is
    1. Saying the truth- ask Lou Dobbs to be more honest about admitting his lies/ misrepresentation on air and issue an apology

    2. You can have a difference of opinion, but you cannot promote hate, which is what Lou Dobbs and gang do. It is not right to use terms like 'anchor babies', 'wholesale invasion' (??!!) and such to promote hate....

    Media is a powerful tool and can be used to promote a debate that leads to solution of problems. But using it to promote hate and prejudices is irresponsible and cannot go unchecked. Any organization that takes on the task of bringing them in line will be commended and supported by me.
  13. 's Avatar
    "Show why what they're saying is false rather than attacking the messenger, and you'll have more credibility on this board. "

    You are the one attacking the messenger (Dobbs). He put La Raza on even though they are CLEARLY a hate group. Sounds like fair coverage to me. The fact that you call them a civil rights group is laughable at best - I haven't seen them fighting for other minority groups. These guys are trying to market themselves as a civil rights group, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....

    Imagine if they were white and called themselves "The Race". Stop the double standard. The National Council of The Race (La Raza) is supported by the Nation of Aztlan. You should see what they have to say about them: http://www.adl.org/learn/Aztlan/Nation.asp

    Whites don't have a monopoly on racism. Go to the home page RIGHT NOW and you will see that Hispanic leader Hugo Chavez is an anti-Semite: http://www.adl.org/. Nuff said.
  14. OK,  take back what I said about La Raza being hate group's Avatar
    Guess I must eat crow. La Raza, despite their horrible choice of a name, doesn't appear to be a hate group. Here is what La Raza CEO Murguia says on immigration:

    " In a speech in San Diego, NCLR CEO Janet Murguía stated: "First, as a sovereign nation, the United States has the right to determine who comes and who stays. . . [It also] has a right to consider enforcement at a variety of levels, including border enforcement, interior enforcement, and workplace enforcement. . . We support enforcement... [because] as Americans, we recognize it's the right thing to do."[14]"

    I think her tactics against Dobbs are still pig headed and wrong, but based on further research it appears I was wrong in calling them a hate group or racist group. She came across very silly on that program.

    I wonder if Greg agrees with her statement. Is interior enforcement and workplace enforcement the "right thing to do as Americans"?
  15. texanmom's Avatar
    BTW, I forgot to address your issue about La Raza translating to "The Race"

    So ignoramus, let me direct you to a detailed explanation of what La Raza means:

    Many people incorrectly translate our name, "La Raza," as "the race." While it is true that one meaning of "raza" in Spanish is indeed "race," in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, "La Raza" means "the people" or "the community." Translating our name as "the race" is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. "Hispanic" is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.

    The term "La Raza" has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as "the people," or, according to some scholars, "the Hispanic people of the New World." The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world's races, cultures, and religions. Mistranslating "La Raza" to mean "the race" implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, "La Raza Cósmica," meaning the "cosmic people," was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.

    You can find a full text of this and other myths about the organization fully explained at this location:
    http://www.nclr.org/content/viewpoints/detail/42500/
  16. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    >>I wonder if Greg agrees with her statement. Is interior enforcement and workplace enforcement the "right thing to do as Americans"?
  17. George Chell's Avatar
    "Dobbs will address these allegations tonight I am sure, now that Super Tuesday is finished."

    Lou Dobbs is a looser now that McCain has won pretty decisively. What a joke!

  18. 's Avatar
    "Lou Dobbs is a looser now that McCain has won pretty decisively."

    I'm a Democrat, but I wouldn't call the McCain win "Decisive". Romney and Huckabee have more delegates than McCain when combined. Also, McCain is hated by the Republican base.

    McCain will likely win the nomination (maybe the general - especially if Clinton is the nominee), but "decisive" is a stretch.
  19. TLB's Avatar
    1. Anyone who says "raza" doesn't mean what it translates as is delusional or lying to you. "Volk" means "the people" too, but it doesn't mean "all people" in the same contexts as "raza" is used.

    2. The NCLR isn't a "hate group", but they do fund extremists and they support illegal immigration every chance they get. Including releasing a report downplaying identity theft and more: tinyurl.com/2xrleb

    3. Here's more on the NCLR's campaign: tinyurl.com/yvr2sz
    Three of the groups involved have indirect links to the Mexican government.
  20. AJAY SHARMA's Avatar
    THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WHAT HE SAYS/THINGS THE ONLY THING WRONG IS THAT HE SHOULD BE ON THE OTHERSIDE OF THE MIKE!
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