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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

LOU DOBBS IS AN AYATOLLAH?

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These are the words of Thomas Friedman, the renown author of The World is Flat in his column in today's New York Times. Friedman's piece today is a tongue-in-cheek Iranian intelligence report that tells the story of US-Iranian relations from the other side's view point. Most has nothing to do with immigration, but I enjoyed this passage:

We have to note that obtaining open-source intelligence in America
has become more difficult, because traditional news shows have become
more comedic and more comedic news shows more authoritative.



For
instance, CNN's nightly business report is hosted by a man named
"Dobbs." Real journalists come on his show and present transparently
propagandistic stories about immigration and trade and then he
fulminates about them, much the way our ayatollahs used to do about
"Satanic Americans" on late-night Iranian TV. So viewers have no real
idea what's happening in the U.S. economy.



Meanwhile, at 11 p.m.,
something called "The Daily Show," which appears on Comedy Central, has
fake journalists presenting what turns out to be the real news.

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  1. Sid's Avatar
    I was just going to post this link.

    LMAO after reading this line "....has fake journalists presenting what turns out to be the real news."
  2. Sid's Avatar
    Unrelated to this posting but related to the H-1B issue -

    "IT majors to up foreign hiring 10-20%"

    http://www.rediff.com/money/2007/dec/06it.htm

    Hopefully this'll make Roy Lawson and his league of extraordinary programmers (Programmers Guild) happy.
  3. A's Avatar
    "Hopefully this'll make Roy Lawson and his league of extraordinary programmers (Programmers Guild) happy."

    I dont think anything will make the guild crowd happy. Guild members have race issues. As far other commies are concerned they want "better working conditions".
  4. R. Lawson's Avatar
    It would make me happy if journalists would report on issues of trade in a non-biased manner. Especially Thomas Friedman.

    We have the WSJ that is obviously biased in favor of free trade. They don't even pretend to objectively report on the issue.

    At least Dobbs markets his program as "news ... and opinion". Dobbs isn't pretending to take a neutral position on the matter. He is decidely unobjective.

    What I find troubling is that journalists who are claiming to report objectively AREN'T.

    Friedman of all people shouldn't be attacking journalists on issues of bias. Friedman is one of the most biased journalists on the planet. What makes him dangerous is that he pretends to not have a dog in the fight. We all know he does.
  5. Lou Dobbs's Avatar
    "This is awful. I often wonder what brings people to this point, but then again, when we talk here about all of the ways illegal immigration has affected all Americans, including dollars that should have gone to help people with mental illnesses, then it makes events like this even more sad.
    "

    http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-93122.html

    These people think shooting at Omaha mall occured because of immigrants.
  6. USC's Avatar
    "when we talk here about all of the ways illegal immigration has affected all Americans, including dollars that should have gone to help people with mental illnesses,"

    Though this tragedy has no nexus to our immigration policies I was wondering how long it would take the antis for to use this tragedy for their despicable goals. Not long as it turns out.

    "then it makes events like this even more sad"

    Thank you, Lou for bringing this to our attention. It is indeed extremely sad that antis like her exist that would use such a tragedy to pour out their hatred of illegal immigrants. The post you cite illustrates someone who is shameless, lacking in any decency and a national disgrace.
  7. legal-forever-waiting-forever's Avatar

    alipac is just a sad tired organization made up of sad tired folks. they oppose everything...and i mean everything. this is not a place for any rational discussion. try joining and talking about skilled immigration and benefits. you will soon realize they are not "for legal immigration". that is just a cover up. most of their heroes and titans despise all immigrants and want all immigration stopped. even when they are forced to accept that there is a shortage, eg with nurses, they still oppose any foreign workers...
  8. 's Avatar
    "http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-93122.html These people think shooting at Omaha mall occured because of immigrants. "


    Yeah, and some people believe that naming a Teddy bear Mohammed (at a student's request) justifies a beheading. Americans don't have a monopoly on being stupid. There are people in this world who are just plain crazy. I don't want Greg Siskind handling their cases because they just might get into this country.

    I think any religous zealot - of any faith - should be barred from this country.
  9. A's Avatar
    "I think any religous zealot - of any faith - should be barred from this country."

    Really ... there are candidates running for president who beleive in creationism as science.

    Fortunaltely conservatives/originalists/racists/bigots/xenophobes all of them are together in a single party in this country. Choice is clear I guess
  10. EB 's Avatar
    Friedman writes "For instance, CNN's nightly business report is hosted by a man named "Dobbs.""

    I didn't visit NY times all day and I might have missed this grand piece of wisdom from Friedman if you hadn't posted it!!! I luv each and every letter of this. Hats of to Friedman.

    The deliberate sarcasm is lovely.".a man named "Dobbs"" LMAO!!!
  11. EB's Avatar
    About the Omaha shooting...

    Luckily it was a white boy....Roy's Anglo-Saxon flavor..

    Imagine if it was a Jose or Mohammed...Hell would have broken loose...
  12. R. Lawson's Avatar
    "Luckily it was a white boy....Roy's Anglo-Saxon flavor.."

    The usual undertones of racism. I can tell when your argument is without merit - you introduce race into the equation.

    Once again, Friedman is a very biased journalist. He practices a form of advocacy journalism.
  13. R. Lawson's Avatar
    And to be fair, Lou Dobbs is also a biased journalist who also practices advocacy journalism.

    I find them both entertaining. It is troubling that journalism constantly sinks to new lows. Even if I agree with both authors on certain subjects, their form of journalism assumes that we (the readers or audience) are too dumb to weigh the issues ourselves.
  14. EB's Avatar
    Oh come on Roy...You are setting up a show on two fronts..

    First one ..your claims about your anti-immigrant opinions are not racially biased...we can ignore that...every one in this board knows where you are coming from..

    let's take the second one..

    Your (feeble) attempts to portray that Friedman and Dobbs are about the same...Friedman may have some biases..but Dobbs is an an out of control lunatic and a bigot.
  15. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    Friedman also writes a column on the opinion page. He's not claiming to be a journalist. Dobbs, on the other hand, has blurred the line. He's got what appear to be legitimate news stories with what appear to be real journalists on his show (though the reporters who regularly appear have been selected by Dobbs because of their anti-immigrant propensities.) When Dobbs stops trying to make people think his show is a legitimate mews show rather than an hour of sharing his opinions, I'll consider him at least closer to a Friedman.

    By the way, I've actually been interviewed by producers of his show in the past - I stopped talking to them a long time ago - and I was truly stunned at the venom in the questioning. I talk to reporters all the time and even if they are not writing a kind story on immigration, most try and at least have a little balance.
  16. R. Lawson's Avatar
    "First one ..your claims about your anti-immigrant opinions are not racially biased."

    I don't have anti-immigrant oppinions. I have pro-immigrant and pro-middle class oppinions.

    If someone tells you that they support the H-1b visa, they are anti-immigrant. I support a greencard instead of that. That makes me pro-immigrant.

    Please forgive me for wanting immigrants to have the right to work for whatever employer they choose, and not need to tie their immigration status to a corporation. Please forgive me for not supporting indentured servitude.

    What amazes me is how so many immigrants are siding with the very people who exploit immigrants.
  17. R. Lawson's Avatar
    "Friedman may have some biases..but Dobbs is an an out of control lunatic and a bigot. "

    I'm not going to engage in the bigot debate on Dobbs with you. I think that is slander.

    He is a hardliner on immigration. I don't agree with him on a fence because I don't think it will work. The best way to control immigration is (tough) workplace enforcement and tamper proof documents. There also needs to a workable guest worker program - and some sort of amnesty (yet again). Your side needs to accept that not everyone will get amnesty. Unless we take enforcement seriously this time around, in 25 years we will be having the same debate.

    Friedman writes great fiction. It's either that or fantasy. Friedman is blind to the other side of this issue and drank the kool-aid on free trade.
  18. 's Avatar
    "I support a greencard instead of that. "

    What is your proposal for how the US should distribute GC's?
    What should be the criteria? Do you support the SKIL bill if it doesn't include the H-1B quota increases?
  19. R. Lawson's Avatar
    "What is your proposal for how the US should distribute GC's? What should be the criteria? "

    Much more efficiently, and merit based. Technology could significantly improve the process.

    "Do you support the SKIL bill if it doesn't include the H-1B quota increases?"

    If it abolished the H-1b program I would support it. I want a comprehensive solution ;-)

    There would be no GC cap on graduates with ADVANCED degrees from US universities. And it would streamline GC processing. I think that would be a very smart immigration program if it didn't have the H-1b deal breaker included.
  20. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    FOr those new to the world or Roy who has been on hiatus, you will NOT get the last word. Just letting you know. Carry on.
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