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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

BROOKS: "DOBBSIANISM IS FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG"

Rating: 13 votes, 5.00 average.

New York Times columnist David Brooks paints a frightening picture of how Lou Dobbs is affecting public opinion and why the CNN "anchor" is simply wrong in his thinking.

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  1. Another Voice's Avatar
    Great article!!
  2. Legal and waiting's Avatar
    I agree, excellent article!
  3. 's Avatar
    Stupid article. You're wrong. Dobbs is right.
  4. Legal and waiting's Avatar
    No name, yes, and marsian aliens have invaded the US and want to annex it to become a part of the Marsian empire.
  5. Patrick's Avatar
    Paris is burning again and why? because two teenagers stole a bike , went way over the speed limit and crashed into a police car traveling well below speed limit. And of course, the liberal media blames this on the fact that offspring's of immigrants do not have jobs and are releasing pent up energy. Does anybody see where this is going? France had liberal immigration policies in the last few decades and everyone can now see the impact. Why can't we support immigration that benefits this country? I am for immigration without free social benefits. Is that too much to ask? Now France is having to bend backwards and provide socialist measures to tackle this current issue. Think again, if all the immigrants are employed and productive Great! If we have immigrants milking the social system, then we are doomed. We have enough citizens milking the system already.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/world/europe/28france.html?_r=1&ex=1353906000&en=82469e2d563b42d0&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin
  6. legal-forever-waiting-forever's Avatar

    Patrick,

    While your basic concern- to have immigrants be productive, is worth discussing, you are missing something critical about France and immigration. Consider that the US has had a longer stronger history of immigration without this kind of a problem. the French may have allowed immigrants but they never accepted them. they forced them into suburban ghettos. If you read more about what's been happening you will find that the French born second generation of these immigrants, cannot get admission to good colleges or get good jobs on graduation because "being French" counts for a lot. The wrong name and appearance is simply not acceptable. Thankfully America has never been like that. i do not condone the violence they are unleashing but one has to consider the kernel of truth behind the allegations of discrimination against these youths- who are born in France and have nowhere to go and no way to be productive. The more entrepreneurial environment in this country that rewards hard work has allowed generations of immigrants to integrate and be productive- France lacks that imho.
  7. Jack's Avatar
    'Once there was a majority in favor of liberal immigration policies, but apparently that's not true anymore, at least if you judge by campaign rhetoric.'

    Uh, besides Tancredo, exactly which candidates have ever called for less legal immigration?


    'He's not going to start winning presidential awards or elite respect.'

    I'm sure he's OK with never getting a CFR invitation.


    'Their speeches constitute a symphony of woe about lead-painted toys...'

    Because they cause brain damage. Man, you've really got to have ideological blinders on to brush that off. Is Consumers Union Dobbsian, Dave?


    'Once there was a bipartisan consensus behind free trade,'

    It's simple, dude. Most people's wages are flat. I'm not claiming a causal connection, but they went up in a more protectionist era but have continued to flat line since a lot of what is being called 'free trade' started happening. Now even big cheerleaders like Robert Reich have apologized for underestimating the negative effects of trade agreements. But to those true believers in 'free trade' as a religion, not just a theory, everything is always peachy.



    'I'm writing this column from Beijing. I can look out the window and see the explosive growth.'

    Out the window? Maybe he's staying insdide so he doesn't have to breathe some of the most polluted air in the world. Anyone who critically looks at China with anything other than 'pride and optimism' is just a Debbie Downer Dobbsyian! Sure Dobbs can be an alarmist but Brooks is a Pollyanna.

  8. Another voice's Avatar
    "If we have immigrants milking the social system, then we are doomed. We have enough citizens milking the system already."

    Show us the evidence that that is what is happening here!!!!
  9. 's Avatar
    "If we have immigrants milking the social system, then we are
    doomed. We have enough citizens milking the system already."

    As if this country has a liberal social welfare system.. , Any legal immigrant has to go thru a public charge test.
  10. 's Avatar
    (regarding milking the system)
    "Show us the evidence that that is what is happening here!!!!"

    Another Voice, 80% of illegal immigrants are on govt subsidized food programs - according to recent statistics. About 30% of all immigrants in this country are not here legally.

    The prisons are filled with illegal immigrants convicted of unrelated crimes. This is probably the biggest drain on our social system. Someone must pay to incarcerate criminals. Someone must pay to build larger prisons and hire more police.

    And as far as schools are concerned, someone must foot the bill for the extra students. Anyone with any knowledge of local government knows that education in poor urban areas is in a state of emergency.
  11. Legal and waiting's Avatar
    "80% of illegal immigrants are on govt subsidized food programs - according to recent statistics."

    Is it called "if you work as a food picker, you get to eat the food raised by government subsidized farmers"?

    Could you PLEASE point to the source of this "recent statistics"?

    "The prisons are filled with illegal immigrants convicted of unrelated crimes. "

    Incarceration rate among foreign-born is a fifth of that for native-born. It is particularly true for males born in Mexico, their incarceration rates are actually very-very low. You are just speading desinformation.

    "And as far as schools are concerned, someone must foot the bill for the extra students. Anyone with any knowledge of local government knows that education in poor urban areas is in a state of emergency."

    "Under 18" age group has been declining in population for years. It fell from 22% in the 1960s to 16% now. There are less K-12 students now than there were in the 1990s, in fact the number is close to that of 1970s, when the population of the US was around 200M. Desinformation, again and again.
  12. 's Avatar
    "In 2005, about 93 percent of inmates in federal and state prisons were men, and there were 3,145 non-Hispanic black male prisoners per 100,000 black males in the United States and 1,244 Hispanic males per 100,000, compared to 471 non-Hispanic white males per 100,000.20 The majority of prison inmates are high-school dropouts.21 " Source: http://borderbattles.ssrc.org/Rumbault_Ewing/index1.html

    So the study indicates that there are high numbers of hispanic males in prison. It also says that FOREIGN born hispanic males have a low incarceration rate.

    I simply don't believe that statistic that native born people of Mexican heritage are 10 times as likely to be in prison than foreign born.

    How could people conducting the survey know, if prisons don't track this data in the first place? And what fool is going to admit to being here illegally in a survey while in prison? This study appears to be flawed.
  13. Sid's Avatar
    "How could people conducting the survey know, if prisons don't track this data in the first place? And what fool is going to admit to being here illegally in a survey while in prison? This study appears to be flawed."

    I agree as long as you extend the same logic to any survey on illegal immigration. I don't believe any of the figures that are quoted w.r.t. illegal immigration are accurate. All are rough estimates. Some are probably more accurate than others depending on the methods applied.

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