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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

ICE OFFICIALS REPORT INABILITY TO PROCESS 287(G) REFERRALS

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One of the antis greatest hopes for massively increasing deportations is to get as many 287(g) agreements in place between Immigration and Customs Enforcement and local police departments around the country. These agreements allow police officers to refer persons they determine to be illegally present in the country over to ICE when they are caught in minor violations like traffic stops or misdemeanors. These agreements have been proliferating particularly as many local politicians see political gold in pushing the measures. Unfortunately, theory and reality have smacked against each other as ICE offices lack the resources to deal with all of the referrals. Case in point - Dallas, Texas. ICE officials are now telling local law enforcement (mainly suburb Irving, Texas which has a 287(g) agreement) only to refer over those accused of more serious criminal violations.



Part of the dishonesty of many of the politicians pushing these agreements and tougher enforcement in general is that the goals can be achieved without a cost. When the country is facing record budget deficits, ALL expenses of the government need to be scrutinized. Massive enforcement requires a massive increase in spending. I would suggest that if the case for massive new enforcement is so strong, then the politicians promoting it should also propose a tax increase to pay for it. That would separate those who genuinely believe in the cause from those just looking to score political points.

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  1. 's Avatar
    Goes to show how "legal" immigration is a low priority.

    At 4.7 billion a year for ICE and 2.0 billion a year for USCIS, both departments are grossly underfunded when comparied to the 8 billion a MONTH spent on the Iraq war. If only some of this money could be diverted to the immigration departments - consider what ICE or USCIS could do with even a fraction of what it takes to fund the Iraq war.

    Imagine the vast numbers of unauthorized immigrants that could be deported by ICE or the mountain of paperwork that USCIS would get through if they were funded at say a billion dollars a month each :-).
  2. 's Avatar
    I was browsing around on VDare to check up on the latest round of arguments against immigration and noticed that a free download of Alien Nation is available here: http://www.vdare.com/alien_nation/.

    Those interested may find it worthwhile to read through this book as it will quickly bring you up to speed on the restrictionist point of view.
  3. 's Avatar
    Under our legal system, non-expedited deportations will always be expensive. In terms of deterring illegal crossings, border patrol is an unwise place to throw money. Putting more agents at the border has a poor track record of deterring crossers which is constantly cited by anti-law enforcement advocates but they don't even try to make the same case against illegal employer enforcement. They know it works and thus try to pretend it doesn't exist as an option. It's the option of choice and one of the benefits is cost. If a person has cost concerns, the bang for the buck is in employer deterrence. With zero net increase in spending, we can shift emphasis from the border to work sites and create REAL deterrence.

    Compared to targeting personal residences, it's also superior if one has Fourth Amendment concerns. Politically, the anti-enforcement people are not above shamelessly laying on the Gestapo rhetoric but it plays best with residences. They also lay it on thick after workplace surprise inspections but it isn't as effective, try as they might. Workplace enforcement is traditionally and rightfully associated with the progressive cause of worker protection. In an immigration context as well, the employer can be made the villain both in law and rhetoric. I mean, I don't think people are all that sympathetic to employers not on the up-and-up (including tax-wise), who take advantage of desperate people they treat as disposable, who righteously act like they have the right to cheaply hire anyone in the world they want for personal profit but stick taxpayers with the externalities bill, who sanctimoniously badmouth Americans for not jumping at the chance to be their serf, etc.
  4. Jack's Avatar
    It's usually auto-filled in so I accidentally left my name off the last post.
  5. A's Avatar
    "Compared to targeting personal residences, it's also superior if one has Fourth Amendment concerns. Politically, the anti-enforcement people are not above shamelessly laying on the Gestapo rhetoric but it plays best with residences. They also lay it on thick after workplace surprise inspections but it isn't as effective, try as they might. Workplace enforcement is traditionally and rightfully associated with the progressive cause of worker protection. In an immigration context as well, the employer can be made the villain both in law and rhetoric. I mean, I don't think people are all that sympathetic to employers not on the up-and-up (including tax-wise), who take advantage of desperate people they treat as disposable, who righteously act like they have the right to cheaply hire anyone in the world they want for personal profit but stick taxpayers with the externalities bill, who sanctimoniously badmouth Americans for not jumping at the chance to be their serf, etc. "

    I know, all the employers and big businesses that employ non americans are evil. All the businesses that employ illegal aliens must be nationalised. If lawmakers and admnistration dont know how to nationalise the businesses they can learn from experience of Venizula and India.
  6. Another voice's Avatar
    I heard about this in Cobb county Georgia they are only holding people charged with DUI or other serious offenses if they got pulled over for a traffic violation they are releasing them because there is no place to hold them or money from the local government to build additional holding places. ICE told them to do this as well to release them with an Immigration court date appointment paper not sure how many will show up for that one.
  7. Another voice's Avatar
    "I know, all the employers and big businesses that employ non americans are evil. All the businesses that employ illegal aliens must be nationalised. If lawmakers and admnistration dont know how to nationalise the businesses they can learn from experience of Venizula and India."

    This is the stupidest solution I have ever heard.
    In the meca of capitalism "The US" this will never happen, so dream on with your communist agenda.
    Obviously you do not know the economics of the whole immigration argument, therefore it shouws how ignorant you are on the issue.
  8. Legal and waiting's Avatar
    AV, I think A was pulling Steven Colbert.
  9. legal-forever-waiting-forever's Avatar

    AV just loves to react.
    especially if someone else can be called "stupid" or "ignorant"
    sarcasm etc those are too deep to be considered. much easier to attck!!
  10. Dream Act guy's Avatar
    You should focus your fire on antis like Jack and Patrick instead of AV, legal forever.

    Don't forget the CNN Youtube Republican debate this Wednesday night. I can't wait for the immigration question!
  11. legal-forever-waiting-forever's Avatar
    DAG I am not trying to "fire" AV, but his/her attitude gets a bit tiresome after a while. A change would be welcome. Don't particularly want to "fire" antis either, unless they are being vicious and/or racist. Sometimes it's worth listening to an opposing point of view. Puts things in perspective.
  12. Sid's Avatar
    I would not label Jack an anti based on his posts. His views are not that extreme.
  13. Patrick's Avatar
    While I may have sounded extreme in previous posts, it is due to experience. I am not opposed to immigration. In fact, two of my neighbors are from India. They have only been here a few years but they are as American as they come. We even grab a few beers and watch football games together. In fact, they agree that there is a breed of immigrants whose sole purpose is to take the money out of USA. I consider these guys to be awesome since in a short span of time they have accomplished so much and even purchased homes well above average in my neighborhood. That being said, our neighborhood YMCA is filled with freebies loading up with their big families. Our hospitals and schools are filled with freebies. My sister down south had to put her kids in private school due to freebies loading up on the public school. Fortunately, I live in a part of the country where immigrants are contributing rather than taking. I hope everyone here stops for a minute and thinks how these freebies are affecting the public services in this country. I know some of you may argue that they pay indirect taxes etc, but that is not something documented and is hard to prove. I hope to have made my position clear.
  14. Another voice's Avatar
    "AV just loves to react.
    especially if someone else can be called "stupid" or "ignorant"
    sarcasm etc those are too deep to be considered. much easier to attck!!"

    LFE&WFE: I call it as I see it you can see it as an attack if you like. If you can't handle critizism you should not participate in an exchange of ideas even if some time exchanges get heated.
  15. Another voice's Avatar
    According to Patrick if you are a white "wanna be" then you are an ok immigrant to him. Wow man thanks for including some people in we are glad you aprove we'll make sure that we run everyone by you before they come in to the US.
  16. Another Voice's Avatar
    "I know some of you may argue that they pay indirect taxes etc, but that is not something documented and is hard to prove. "

    Therefore you can not prove the contrary either and your argument would fall flat on its face.
  17. 's Avatar
    "Therefore you can not prove the contrary either and your argument would fall flat on its face."

    MOST OF THE ILLEGALS DONT PAY FEDERAL TAXES.
  18. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    >>MOST OF THE ILLEGALS DONT PAY FEDERAL TAXES.
  19. 's Avatar
    "According to Patrick if you are a white "wanna be" then you are an ok immigrant to him."

    According to AV , if you are benificiary of dream act you are not a wanna be but you are more assimilated , if you are a legal immigrant and trying to assimilate you are a "wanna be"

    DAG,

    Just becareful while using the assimilation argument to support the dream act.
  20. Another voice's Avatar
    SS unmatch fund grows at the tune of $7 billion per year and there are $100 billion in unclaimed funds right now. People with Tax ID numbers get them to get taxes back or pay what ever the case. Payroll taxes are deducted from these immigrants that get paid by check. And offcourse state sales and property taxes.
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