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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

NEW POLL SHOWS AMERICANS BELIEVE BORDER SECURITY REQUIRES GUEST WORKER REFORM

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Despite calls for an enforcement only approach by many anti-immigrant voices in the US, the American public has consistently taken a more pragmatic view. A new poll commissioned by the Krieble Foundation and conducted by Public Opinion Strategies surveyed 800 people and has a plus or minus error rate of 3.5%. The Krieble Foundation press release on the poll notes



Voters overwhelmingly agreed with the statement: "It is not possible to have absolute border control without a better system for handling temporary workers." A total of 76 percent agree with the statement, while only 17 percent disagree.



Similarly, when asked which would do more to strengthen our border, 53 percent said "creating a more efficient system for handling temporary workers" while only 36 percent said "increasing the presence of law enforcement officials."



"The bottom line," said Foundation President Helen E. Krieble, "is that people who call for border-only approaches to this national crisis represent a very small minority. Most people know that real border security requires a work program to efficiently handle our economy's labor requirements."

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  1. Jack's Avatar
    'Whether foreign workers should be able to unionize or organize is a different question, about which reasonable people may disagree. The Foundation's view is that temporary non-immigrant workers are here to work and earn money, not to get involved in political, cultural or social issues.'

    An imported serf class! Now THAT's anti-immigrant. This old lady is an 'anti'! She's also anti-government. Her "Two Paths Initiative" is similar to that kooky Mike Pence plan with private companies taking over immigration processing and setting up employment agencies on foreign soil. You know, the one nobody took seriously. She's also anti-American worker. No requirement to demonstrate that no American will take the posted job or what effect her plan would have on American workers' employment and wages.

    Nice poll questions. Who knew there was a little foundation dedicated to perpetuating this infamous non sequitur from Bush:

    'If the job is to secure this border, it seems like to me we've got to stop the number of people who are trying to sneak across in the first place. And the best way to do that is to make a temporary worker program a part of immigration reform.'

    What the heck? Even Greg says 'I have no doubt that we could make life so tough on unauthorized workers on their employers and tighten up the border that we could effectively end illegal immigration.' Employer enforcement is the way to deter illegal immigration but Krieble, Pence, Norquist, etc. need a justification for selling out American workers for the benefit of hirers.
  2. Democrat's Avatar
    I am a Democrat, I am for legalization of the undocumented immigrants but I am opposed any guest worker programs because these guest workers supress the wages for americans. All the legal immigrants drive down the wages for americans. All the undocumented workers do the jobs americans dont want to do . If more people are allowed to come thru the legal channels they will not do the jobs americans dont want to do but they compete for the jobs that americans want to do.
  3. JoeF's Avatar
    "All the legal immigrants drive down the wages for americans."

    That is of course simply not true.
    Or are you really seriously claiming that people like the late Peter Jennings of ABC (he was Canadian) were driving down the wages for American TV moderators???
    Or that that the invention of the microprocessor at Intel, a company co-founded by an immigrant, drove down wages? On the contrary, it helped start a whole new industry, with lots and lots of new jobs created.
    So, if you are for real, educate yourself and stop embarrassing yourself and the party you claim to support.
  4. Democrat's Avatar
    "That is of course simply not true.
    Or are you really seriously claiming that people like the late Peter Jennings of ABC (he was Canadian) were driving down the wages for American TV moderators???
    Or that that the invention of the microprocessor at Intel, a company co-founded by an immigrant, drove down wages? On the contrary, it helped start a whole new industry, with lots and lots of new jobs created.
    So, if you are for real, educate yourself and stop embarrassing yourself and the party you claim to support."


    I am not talking about individuals, I am talking about massive importation of guest workers using various programs. All these guest worker programs are nothing but corporate subsidies that boost the corporate profits at the cost of hardworking americans.
  5. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    >>I am not talking about individuals, I am talking about massive importation of guest workers using various programs. All these guest worker programs are nothing but corporate subsidies that boost the corporate profits at the cost of hardworking americans.
  6. !A's Avatar
    "I am not talking about individuals, I am talking about massive importation of guest workers using various programs. All these guest worker programs are nothing but corporate subsidies that boost the corporate profits at the cost of hardworking americans."

    Curious how this quote above nearly completely toes the CIS line on guestworker programs.

    "Mexican immigration acts as a subsidy to businesses that employ unskilled workers, holding down labor costs"

    "Guestworker programs are unlikely to solve the problems found in the study. By increasing the supply of unskilled labor, a guestworker program would still adversely effect the wages of the lowest-paid American workers."

    http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/release.html
  7. Jack's Avatar
    >>So the question is whether we choose to have these 12 million jobs filled by people in an illegal status or we choose to fill them through a regulated guest worker system
  8. USC's Avatar
    "All these guest worker programs are nothing but corporate subsidies that boost the corporate profits"

    That's factually inaccurate. Economics 101 holds that the importer of the commodity subject to a "QUOTA" is paying the subsidy and NOT receiving one.

    For instance, up until a couple of years ago, cotton garments were subject to a per country quota. So, a shirt that the American consumer bought at Macy's cost him more because Macy's couldn't import all their requirements and had to buy higher price goods from domestic manufacturers. So, the subsidy is paid by the American consumer if Macy's passes the higher prices to them or by the American shareholders of Macy's, Inc if they choose not to pass on the higher prices to the American consumer. The subsidy is received by the SPECIAL INTERESTS represented by the garment workers.

    Similarly, H1b/EB immigrants are subject to a quota. Thus the subsidy is paid by American consumers/shareholders to the SPECIAL INTERESTS represented by the likes of PG. PG position hurts the American consumer and American competitiveness. They are unpatriotic looking out only for their narrow self interest!

    PG and their ilk don't seem to realize the role of the USD in the global economy. Here is an article from yesterday's IHT which makes the same case that I did a few weeks ago.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/18/bloomberg/sxview.php
  9. indian's Avatar
    The posting of Democrat makes no sense. I suppose its a sign of intelligence to hold conflicting ideas in the head.

    Democrat does not want guest workers because they suppress wage. Never mind the fact that US benefited in science and technology from immigrants, which positively impacted the economy. This is a well documented fact.

    Democrat wants to legalize the undocumented. Now once that happens won't they compete with the citizens for the same jobs and depress wages. They don't have to do the jobs citizens won't.

    So what do you want? Legalize the current undocumented, and then wait for the next batch to come illegally, then legalize those, and then wait ... I get the idea. Brilliant.
  10. Another voice's Avatar
    "I am opposed any guest worker programs because these guest workers supress the wages for americans."

    That is the favorite line of Senator Durbin and Senator Dorgan to excuse their help in derailing CIR. The truth is that undocumented workers mostly do jobs that americans do not want to do and if it does affect wages at some level it has been showed in multiple economic studies that it only affects 4-5% of american workers but at the end its a wash mostly low skill american workers. Most american workers have access to better jobs because they do not have a language barrier and mostly have higher education, no barriers of entry and skills therefore better jobs.

    If legalization ever happens skill workers would help to have an orderly flow of immigrants workers so you don't have to do legalization every 20 years which we do not have today. Guest workers will be needed as the american population ages(baby boomers) and retire is happening all over the industrialized world.
  11. Another voice's Avatar
    Excellent article Greg just posted here is some reserch on the wages issue:

    "1% increase in the share of foreign-born increased the average native wages by around 0.3-0.4%, and the average house prices (and rents) by 1%. These positive average effects, however, are accompanied by distributional effects. Analyzing the impact by education group we find that native workers with no high school diploma experienced a small reduction in wages and small increase in their rents as a consequence of immigration, while those with college education experienced a significant wage and rent increase. Our explanation of the positive wage effects rely on an important mechanism that seems to be operating in cities as well as in the US economy as a whole, and is based on the fact that the skill composition of immigrants is complementary to that of natives. Foreign-born individuals in the US are over-represented among workers with low skills (no degree) and among those with very high skills (graduate degrees particularly in science and technology). On the other hand, foreign-born are under-represented among workers with high-school and some college education. Most American workers, therefore (70% of which have high school or some college education), do not compete with immigrants for similar jobs but benefit from their complementary productive tasks. Moreover, even at similar levels of education native and immigrant workers tend to specialize in different occupations."
  12. Dream Act guy's Avatar
    Senator Durbin voted for CIR.
  13. 's Avatar
    "Senator Durbin voted for CIR."

    Yes, but in doing so he killed it by attracting enough amendments to prevent cloture.
  14. A's Avatar
    "Yes, but in doing so he killed it by attracting enough amendments to prevent cloture."

    Exactly one of them was sunset prosion for guest worker programs. Sen Dorgan was not satisfied until his amendment was passed, he amendment was voted twice. Remember this was one of the poison pill amendments.

    DAG
    You may like Sen. Durbin, rightly so but he and other union leaders in senate are the biggest obstacles to increased legal job based immigration. Thank God for the fillibuster in the senate otherwise this senator would be totally out of control.
  15. Democrat's Avatar
    "That is the favorite line of Senator Durbin and Senator Dorgan to excuse their help in derailing CIR"

    You can accuse them of anything you want, but they are the greatest protections american worker has in the senate. Senator Durbin and Senator Kennedy speak for the people who can not speak for themselves whether it is american middle class worker or illegal undocumented worker. Solution to end illegal immigration is not massive importation of foreign workers , solution to end illegal immigration is best achieved if mandatory minimum sentences are legislated for employers who violate the immigration laws knowingly.
  16. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    >>First, if you're using the 12 million figure as the total number of illegal aliens, you are acting as if they all work. That's not true. Which is why 'undocumented worker' as a euphemism for 'illegal alien' is not accurate.
  17. Another voice's Avatar
    "Solution to end illegal immigration is not massive importation of foreign workers , solution to end illegal immigration is best achieved if mandatory minimum sentences are legislated for employers who violate the immigration laws knowingly."

    This is not a solution this just shows that you are stubborn and shortsided on the whole issue. Read and reason the other posts rather that just blindly defend you belief.
  18. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    >>Senator Durbin and Senator Kennedy speak for the people who can not speak for themselves
  19. Democrat's Avatar
    "This is not a solution this just shows that you are stubborn and shortsided on the whole issue. Read and reason the other posts rather that just blindly defend you belief."

    I think this person AV good at passing judgemental comments about others , now he declared me as stubborn and shortsighted.
  20. Dream Act guy's Avatar
    A, the filibuster led to the defeat of Cornyn's EB recapture amendment. Like the Dream Act, it had 55 Senators in support of the measure.
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