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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

I'M NOT AGAINST IMMIGRATION, JUST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

Rating: 2 votes, 5.00 average.

I always love that one. You usually hear it discussed by the virulently anti-immigrant members of Congress when they want to convince the typical American who understands the need for foreign workers, but is concerned about having control over the border. But make no mistake about it. The anti-illegal immigration crowd wants to kill legal immigration with just as much passion. For those of my readers who are patiently trying to work your way legally through the immigration system and somehow think the unlawfully present immigrants are the ones standing in your way, this ad from NumbersUSA (the ones who flooded the Capitol switchboard during the immigration reform debate earlier in the summer) should be a wake up call.

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  1. USC's Avatar
    That's two engraved invitations! LOL!
  2. Seraphi's Avatar
    I like how they quote-mined the PERM clip there. Who needs context, right?

  3. Legal Immi's Avatar
    Legal or illegal , people are just numbers for Numbers usa. The name says it all. For these people every immigrant is a gum ball that is here to overflow the jar.
  4. Limbo's Avatar
    It would be funny if it wasn't so sick. Hearing that baby in the background crying, we can assume because the parents don't have money to feed it because their jobs were taken by foreigners. Talk about a crass appeal to emotion. Have these people no shame?

    I'm sure Lou Dobbs would tear up, just seeing that commercial and thinking about those poor people being hurt by us greedy immigrants.

    Meanwhile, what is the unemployment rate now? It's so low that many jobs go unfilled. Ridiculous.
  5. pablo's Avatar
    There is something fishy going on here. The number of signatures at the ad page is growing at a constant rate. There were like 200 new signatures in the last 5 minutes. Are they really so well organized to get so many signatures in just one day?
  6. TX's Avatar
    Pablo, you are right, they are trying to fool their audience with the number of signatures thing, every time you click the refresh button the number seems to grow at least by 4, that just could not be possible. This thing is bogus, kind of expected from a group such as NumbersUSA.

    I hope someone calls them out on this.
  7. JoeF's Avatar
    "There is something fishy going on here. The number of signatures at the ad page is growing at a constant rate. There were like 200 new signatures in the last 5 minutes."

    Yeah, an old trick. Ballot-stuffing.
    Fools people who aren't that tech-savvy, which is their audience.
    Real signature-drives have a verification process, which takes quite some time.
    The way they use it is nothing more than one of these stupid online polls, where ballot-stuffing is rampant. Nobody (except people who listen to right-wing talkradio) takes these things serious.
  8. Seraphi's Avatar
    I'd need to delve deeper into the source code (Alt+F -> View -> Source), but I'm *pretty* sure that the "48,489 citizens have signed since August 27!" thing is actually a hit-counter.

    This would explain why the total number keeps going up by one or two everytime you hit "refresh" to reload the page.

    But yeah. You need to watch out for those foreigners. You know? Hiding behind walls. Ready to leap out and steal your job from you as you walk to your car...
  9. pablo's Avatar
    Yeah. There are only so many time zones in the US. Barring any explanation of the kind where jobless Americans are sitting and clicking on the signature forms all night, the next most feasible explanation would be that they've outsourced the signing and clicking of the ad to India or China.
  10. The differences guy's Avatar
    Because, as we know, opposing those who abuse the H1-B program is equivalent to opposing all immigration.

    Here's the lawyer's conference that's included in the Numbers USA ad; note that they posted the original version of this video to YT but then pulled it after it started getting mentioned in news reports:

    youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

    Here's the summary from Lou:

    youtube.com/watch?v=Fx--jNQYNgA
  11. chris's Avatar
    the differences guy, so you support the eliminating of the abuse of H1-B, and increased H1-B immigration levels?
  12. Limbo's Avatar
    The differences guy,

    I watched the video, and here is the trouble with it. I noticed they said it is up to the employer to go through the resumes. If the employer finds lots of qualified Americans, would it not be foolish for them to go through all the extra trouble and expense to bring someone in from overseas? Keep in mind how convoluted, expensive and unpredictable the U.S. immigration system is. So, just to reiterate, it is up to the employers, NOT THE ATTORNEYS. The attorneys only advise.

    So just answer me this one question. Why would employers spend more money and waste time bringing someone in from overseas if there are qualified Americans? The answer is they don't. Just look at Dice. The vast majority of listings say no H1b's or transfers. Employers only do this if they have to as a last resort. It's simple business economics.

    To say this costs 100,000 American workers jobs every year is absurd. How do they arrive at this number? You lose credibility when you make ridiculous assertions such as that.



  13. 's Avatar
    Unlawful immigrants *are* for a fact standing in my way due to the way the immigration system works. When my application was sent to a BEC due to the amnesty in 2001, it was due to applications filed by unlawful folks.

    I called in and wrote letters against CIR and will do so again for any effort aimed at creating a pseudo-greencard (Z-visa) for illegals. Only way I can see fit to support an amnesty is if the visa on offer allows priority applications to people who are here legally.



  14. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    To second Limbo, given that only 1 in 2 H-1B petitions were accepted in April due to the H-1B cap, the attraction of hiring an H-1B worker has certainly plummeted. Who wants to spend the legal fees on filing an H-1B case for only a 1 in 2 chance. And why waste time waiting six months or more for an H-1B to come on board when you need someone now. Presumably, this change in the marketplace would suddenly have made US workers more attractive. But I challenge the anti-H-1Bs to show a marked change in the employment situation. I doubt we will because the fact is that most employers hire H-1Bs when they simply can't find Americans. The H-1B shortage won't change that fact.
  15. Calouste's Avatar
    >> Meanwhile, what is the unemployment rate now? It's so low that many jobs go unfilled. Ridiculous.

    I went to my local Bed, Bath and Beyond this evening and next to the entrance, instead of a pile of leaflets with this week's offers, there was a "Now Hiring" sign and a pile of application forms.

    Almost every store around here has "Now hiring" signs, but I hadn't seen other stores be so desparate that they think asking for an application form is too much of a hurdle.
  16. chris's Avatar
    the differences guy, so you support the eliminating of the abuse of H1-B, and increased H1-B immigration levels?
  17. Samir Nagheenanajar's Avatar
    This is it! I watched the ad and it was so moving that I'm going to quit my job and go back to India. I can't live with myself after knowing how much pain and suffering I have caused the middle class!
  18. USC's Avatar
    Breaking news, Romney loses his Senate liason:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/28/washington/28craig.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1188295342-Wqui++HL7Fi0PPv+qrrt0A

  19. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    USC - Craig is the primary advocate of the AgJobs bill in the Senate. His loss is not necessarily a great thing for pro-immigration folks, though that bill seems to now have a lot of fans in both parties and may be one of the few pieces of CIR to pass on its own this year.
  20. USC's Avatar
    "USC - Craig is the primary advocate of the AgJobs bill in the Senate"

    I was concerned about the relevance of the story to immigration and hence was conflicted about posting the link. However, I figured that anything political impacted immigration reform and therefore, reluctantly posted the link.

    Not only is Craig a primary sponsor of AgJobs but he also voted in favor of cloture. So, this seems a loss for the pros.

    On a separate note, I don't know if AgJobs is a good idea. I think those that commit an offense should be treated similarly. If two people come here on the same day illegally and the only difference between the two is that one works in the hospitality industry and the other on a farm, why should one get earned legalization and the other not? I think all here in an undocumented status should be legalized and Agriculture workers should not be placed in a better position as CIR did. Any new CIR should not treat Ag workers better than IT workers, hospitality workers etc. From an economic stand point what we are doing is placing the hospitality industry at a competitive disadvantage vis a vis the agriculture industry. If Mexico can produce our food cheaper why not just import our food from there? Why protect the farms through yet another subsidy?

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