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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE LINED UP TO DO THIS KIND OF WORK

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Did anyone read Upton Sinclair's THE JUNGLE in high school? The book has made many a vegetarian over the generations. Working in meat processing ain't pretty. I think of THE JUNGLE because the book is about immigrants in meat processing 100 years ago and today immigrants still do that work, albeit ones from Central America rather than Eastern Europe.



The AP reports on an ICE raid at one of the nation's largest meat processing plants. I guess every time one of these raids happens, the folks in places like Argentina - a major meat producing country - smile really wide.

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  1. Dream Act guy's Avatar
    Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser is a great book too, and it also has sections dealing with migrant workers and the meat processing industry.
  2. Limbo's Avatar
    Off topic, but I'm just curious. USCIS has not posted a "lockbox receipting times" press release for this week.

    Have they just stopped doing this altogether? It used to be weekly on Thursdays. Looking at Trackitt, they seem to be all over the map with which applications they are receipting, which, of course, is likely to start making those of us who didn't get one yet increasingly nervous.
  3. jack's Avatar
    Somebody broke the lockbox. Hence no receipting times for now.
  4. Legal and waiting's Avatar
    So, did the company call ICE, after 1,000 workers (20% of their workforce) walked out? Raided homes? That's another reason to give your employer a PO Box for address...
  5. ARZ's Avatar
    Greg,

    One thing I am not quite sure whether it's a good thing or bad thing. Before I say anything though, I must declare that I am not against illegal immigrants. My confusion is about the impact of pushing all the illegal immigrants (or any immigrants) out of the country. Set aside its practicality, pro-immigration activists like you always use the arguments that economic impact of such action will devastate us. Some detailed examples include skyrocketing price of wide range of services and goods (labor shortage induced inflation, really.)

    I'm not sure if it will be a total bad thing though. American society is spoiled by the low cost of just about anything. The result of American rampant materialism is pushing the world resource to the edge. American on average burn more gas, eat more meat, waste more energy and produce more green house gas than most people in the world. The trend is actually on the increase.

    So, I am thinking maybe without the endless availability of cheap labor, we will actually be better off. So say beef pricing went up 10 times. We will probably have less fat people eating out burger king and KFC weekly. People might actually start cooking from their home and eat with their family at the dinner table more often.

    Frugal habit came from humble environment, that's one virtue American society truly lacks at the moment. Not sure if illegal immigration fueled the endless appetite, but as long as $1.99 Big Mac existed, people aren't going to learn.
  6. Limbo's Avatar
    Don't meant to hijack the thread, but the last receipting notice said, "USCIS will provide weekly updates to give our customers accurate information about current receipt times and service level commitments."

    Looks like they are not living up to their word with the updates, which is kind of frustrating.
  7. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    Okay, now I reveal my secret that I'm a 20 year vegetarian hybrid driver.
  8. JoeF's Avatar
    "So say beef pricing went up 10 times. We will probably have less fat people eating out burger king and KFC weekly. People might actually start cooking from their home and eat with their family at the dinner table more often."

    Unlikely. The people who go to BK and KFC will rather work second jobs rather than go and cook at home.
    Just look what impact the over 200% rise (from $3) in gas prices has had. Pretty much none. The streets here in SoCal are as busy as ever. People still don't car-pool. People still don't use public transportation or demand that more light-rail lines are built (in fact, a proposal to build a light-rail line here in SoCal was rejected at the last election.) The only effect is that resale prices of SUVs have gone down.
  9. pz's Avatar
    libmo, they'll post the update today but you'll see in about a week or two. But when you see it in the press release it will say it was posted today.
  10. updates's Avatar
    Updates?? Its a joke. Its a copy and paste. Its evident that they put all the applications on a truck from NSC to TSC and are not even attending them. Its so ironic that they are receipting the after July 17th applications now while the July 2nd and 3rd are sitting in the mail room. The update does not even matter because we dont know which service center has the application.

    Filing on Jul 2nd and getting receipted on Oct 2nd is a big slap in the face. We all know that the processing times go by receipt notice date and not by receipt date. So this is going to haunt Jul 2nd filers in years to come as the processing dates for I-485 will stop moving from some time in Aug 20th 07, in future.

    Its been 50+ days since July 2nd and no one knows how much percentage of July 2nd filers got their receipts. As per sources like trackitt and stuff not even 10-15% have got the receipts. It appears that USCIS will not meet their own deadline of 90 days which ends on OCT 2nd.

    Lets get ready for another 90 day request for clearing "Front Log"
  11. Limbo's Avatar
    In regards to receipting, I am assuming that a lot of July 2 filers have had checks cashed, but just don't know it yet because it's the lawyers check. Perhaps there is a lag until they are notified by the lawyer, otherwise it makes no sense why some people, even EB3 from July 18 and 19th are getting receipts while many July 2nd filers are not.

    They have changed the rule. It used to be 4 weeks and you could call them and they would check to see if your file has been created on the computer. It is now 90 days before they will check!

    For those of us who may need an AP due to family emergency, etc., this is a very uncomfortable time.
  12. a2007's Avatar
    Every time I hear about raids, I smile! I couldn't care less about Argentina or Mexico or any other S. american country whose people feel ENTITLED to live here. I wish people would just understand the clear and distinct difference between Pro-Immigration and Anti-illegals - they are not immigrants!. We are not all immigrants lumped into the same category, which I find an insult. I'm obviously anti-illegals because I don't see why they should get away with it while we suffer for years, not just waiting, but stuck in jobs way too long and unable to rise in the income ladder, let alone the psychological abuse of dealing with imbeciles in government and the ever increasing and unjustifiable fees.

    Immigration attorneys who side with illegals under the guise of economic factors or some other such fallacy, are only interested in the wave in business (revenue) this will bring them. Otherwise, they are hypocrits since attorneys should be upholding the law of the land and not purporting to be economic experts! I am gratified that my attorney is principled in upholding the law even though it means less business for him. He would rather see increases in legal immigration, as I think we all do for the benefit of this country.
  13. TX's Avatar
    Greg, I hope you respond to a2007.

    a2007, whatever your opinion is on undocumented, don't you think that it's unfair to assume that every attorney who has a different opinion then you has to feel that way because its good for business? I am not an attorney, yet I have a different opinion then you on the undocumented, does that mean I have something to gain from this as well? I guess If we are just going to assume things about others it would be fair then for me to assume you are an anti-immigrant because of your views, and if you yourself are an immigrant then its fair to assume that instead of just having a slice of the pie you want the entire pie for yourself?
  14. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    TX - I really don't have a great response to a2007 other than to say that I have people in my office all the time who are suddenly rendered illegal because of an arbitrary act by an employer, a change in government policy, a mistake made on an application or a variety of other circumstances. And I never hear anyone say - "You know what, now that I'm illegal, I really don't deserve a shot at becoming an American." THe fact that you have a legal route toward permanent residency while others do not is really a matter of luck and empathy is a quality most of us could use more of.
  15. Limbo's Avatar
    a2007,

    You say, "Immigration attorneys who side with illegals under the guise of economic factors or some other such fallacy, are only interested in the wave in business (revenue) this will bring them'

    I don't think it is fair to generalize in such a way and impugn Greg's motives. Greg has worked tirelessly as an advocate for immigrants. He has helped many people (probably thousands) by supplying helpful and timely information on this blog without any remuneration whatsoever. He obviously did whatever was in his power to help those caught up in the July VB debacle. If he gets some clients because of his work on this blog, I think that's great. He deserves it.

    There may be some issues I respectfully disagree with him on, but let's stick to the facts and lay off the personal attacks. I think he realizes the vast majority of people who come to his blog appreciate his efforts.
  16. a2007's Avatar
    If it was a personal attack, I would have actually stated it. I made a general statement - so you can interpret it as you like. Let's not confuse the issue here. Mr. Siskind does a great job for legals and running a blog is great business sense, which I do and recommend to our clients in the business world. However, it is a fact that any legalization process for illegals in any type of program (amnesty or not), means big business for all attorneys. That is a mere business fact and not an opinion.
  17. a2007's Avatar
    TX - I am indeed an immigrant - still in the process for 7 years and waiting any day for my GC. I am indeed anti-illegals who cross the border and blatantly disregard the laws of any country. I have many professional friens who are immigrants who feel the same way. If you come here, you need to do it legally and get in line. If you are going to blast me for that opinion, then you too have no respect for the laws of country. I resent countries like Mexico with dual standards, shove thier people north but make anyone entering into their country illegal and deportable. Every country has a right to enforce its laws (whether you agree with them or not), so all I say is: let's please enforce ours so other get the message.

    We had the same problem in the U.K. with Eastern Europeans and the EC is suffering irreperably from infuxes of muslim immigrants. Go study Europe a bit and see the social and economic mess going on there. They now have tough laws on immigration but welcome qualified professionals coming legally.
  18. USC's Avatar
    a2007:

    "Immigration attorneys who side with illegals under the guise of economic factors or some other such fallacy, are only interested in the wave in business (revenue) this will bring them. Otherwise, they are hypocrits since attorneys should be upholding the law of the land and not purporting to be economic experts!"

    The fact of the matter is that in the USA everyone is entitled to their day in court. They are also entitled to a lawyer. I agree with this pricipal whole-heartedly. Now, if lawyers refused to represent those the government accused of being here illegally this basic principal of constitutional law would be violated.

    It appears that you yourself are trying to immigrate to the US. You talk about entitlements. The illegals shouldn't have any you say. But you know what, the antis say neither should those applying for GCs. No right to protest, no right to make their voices heard.

    OTH, pros like me believe, that those attempting to change their immigration status have a perfect right to demonstrate, protest and make their opinions heard because many of these Non Immigrants picked the US as their destination because they saw a path to a GC. They have time and money invested in the process and they should be treated with respect and dignity by INS. They should be allowed to form PACs and contribute to Members of Congress. So you pick whether you want to side with the pros or antis.

    As someone, who has an Engineering Degree with a Minor in Economics and a MBA in Finance. Let me assure you that prices of many goods that you consume will go up if 12 million people are deported. Now, I might not agree with the other pros about the necessity of protecting our farms by importing cheap labor but that is because I am free trade advocate and do not believe in subsidies. That is philosophical difference I have with them. They are however, right in their claim that you will pay more for your food.



  19. TX's Avatar
    a2007, personally I find it an utter waste of my time to respond to your uneducated and racist remarks, but your comments on muslim immigrants forces me to.

    You stated "EC is suffering irreperably from infuxes of muslim immigrants" just that comment alone shows your bigotry. As a Muslim immigrant to the US this remark of yours is an insult. Your argument is exactly the same as the ones put forth by Lou Dobbs and Sean Hannity on a daily basis, anyone who does not walk and talk like them does not belong here. You could not change the laws of your own country and now you have to come to this great country to voice your hate filled opinions, what a disgrace.

    I don't know if Greg thought your remarks were a personal attack or not, I'm not going to make that decision for him, however regardless of how you think, it's obvious that you do not know how to write/voice your opinion....everyone here knows Greg's views on undocumented immigrants, and you stated that "Immigration attorneys who side with illegal's under the guise of economic factors or some other such fallacy, are only interested in the wave in business (revenue) this will bring them" from the way this is read, it sounds like an attack, but like I said, I won't make that decision for him.

    First you state that it brings a smile to your face when you hear about these raids that tear families apart, then you make an illogical and bigoted argument on muslim immigrants, I don't know what is in your heart, either you are really filled with hate and rage or you really need to take a lesson in how to write your opinion. One can be for or against illegal immigrations, but arguments like "it brings a smile on my face when I hear about these raids" just takes away from the entire discussion and focuses on the hate that you have for these immigrants. It's one thing asking for deportation for these people, it's something else when you take joy in seeing families separated like this, you need to get a life.
  20. a2007's Avatar
    USC,
    There are many studies that would disagree on the purported price increase of food. I wish I had the economic figures to hand, but I don't. Either way, I'm not moaning about paying more for food. I would just like a fair system and closed borders so we know who is here and why. If these illegals cross over so easily and obtain false ID's, I truly fear for the security of this country. We paid the price in the UK for such lapses in the law and we saw the terrorist attacks that happened.

    And while we are throwing out professional degrees, I am a Masters degree, University of London - Marketing - tech sector for last 25 years Technology, turned around a company, sold to Microsoft while I was still in the UK. I have always worked for American tech companies and was invited here because of my success in the industry in the UK and what I have to offer and have achieved for my firm here. If that means I should be entitled to a fast track, you bet it does! I have brought in $5 Million from a European VC invested in a U.S. tech firm which has created tons of jobs. Yeah I am somewhat ticked off with this system! America is lucky to have people like me, yet they reward the illegals. I am disgusted with the system or lack of.

    Enjoy your weekend and great debate here.
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