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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

ANOTHER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE FLIP FLOPS

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Sam Brownback's complete sell out of his pro-immigration principles was stunning. Last week I reported on a more subtle flip flopping by Fred Thompson on immigration matters. And today, it's former pro-immigration Senator John McCain who is pretty desperate these days and thinks if he sells out immigrants, he'll be able to grab enough of the extreme right wing to save his campaign. Sad.

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  1. TX's Avatar
    Even if I was'nt concerned with Immigration and did'nt think of it as a top issue, and if I could vote, I would think twice before ever voting for any of these guys. Its one thing pandering to the extrme right of your party to win the primary, but at the expense of millions of people......its just shameful. Why is the GOP alienating such a growing segment of the population? Do they know something that we don't? Is the extrme right wing such a large segment that it is worth their while to alienate the hispanic party? Maybe so, or maybe this means the GOP might end up being a minority party for decades to come.
  2. Calouste's Avatar
    Not only are the Republican candidates alienating the Hispanic vote, they are also alienating the 65% of the US population that is supportive of immigration. Plus if the winner of the GOP primaries later tries to move back to te center, he gives the Democrats a large amount of free ammunition about flipflopping....
  3. USC's Avatar
    It's not just Republicans anymore, another town goes after the illegal immigrants. NY Times Sunday Mag story:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/05/magazine/05Immigration-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine&oref=slogin

  4. Right Way's Avatar
    Again with the term "extreme" and "radical." There are a lot of ordinary people out there who disapprove of illegal immigration and are they considered the "extreme" right wing? That is not a fair characterization. Both parties have extreme elements.
  5. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    Scratch a little beneath the surface of the average NumbersUSA activist and you'll find a person who disapproves of ALL immigration, legal or illegal. And that's the group controlling the agenda on the GOP side.

    When you look at the web sites of NumbersUSA, FAIR and the other groups out there on this issue, they go after politicians who favor any sort of pro-immigration agenda even if there is no element of "amnesty" involved.

    Right way - my guess is that you oppose illegal immigration and that you also oppose visa programs to allow workers to come here legally. I hope I'm wrong about it, but I doubt it.
  6. Right Way's Avatar
    Actually you are wrong, I donate monthly to a Texas school that teaches poor children, many of whom are Hispanic. I also favor visa programs that allow workers to come here legally. I have made clothing donations to a person who lost one of his jobs who is here illegally. I do not say this to say "look at me" and what I am doing but to show that there are some(many?) of us who are pro-immigration but want it to be done the right way.

    Herein lies the disagreement I have with some of the posts. You want to label me and so many others as the "extreme." What I do not agree with is blanket immigration. I also believe the majority of the American people feel this way also. Your vitriol for Numbers USA is well documented but there are many outside of Numbers USA who are not anti-immigrant but pro legal-immigration. I do not feel it is responsible to label so many as "radical."

    Again, I do thank you for your blog. There is a lot of useful information and I appreciate the updates and information.
  7. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    I'm glad I'm wrong. But of the activists on the immigration issue opposing legalization programs, I'd say you're in a minority for sure. The people calling Congress in May were not people like you.
  8. Dream Act Guy 's Avatar
    Yeah, I agree with Mr. Siskind. Those groups say they are "pro legal immigration" yet they say they are "against chain migration." What the heck ... isn't "chain migration" the US legal immigration system??

    Oh, all the polls say that the moderate position is a path to legalization with undocumented immigrants jumping through some hoops. So, you're on the extreme side, Right Way.
  9. CA's Avatar
    Rasmussen is a reliable poller.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/just_22_favor_stalled_immigration_bill
  10. Calouste's Avatar
    Considering the bill was a heavy compromise that almost no one in the Senate wasn't really happy with it is no surprise that the general public doesn't like it either.

    But Rasmussen doesn't seem to have asked the most important question: "Do you think this bill does too much for illegal immigrants or too little?" That would have told us more about the attitude of the public towards immigration.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/ny_times_cbs_poll_finds_that_69_believe_illegal_immigrants_should_be_prosecuted is probably a better poll for that.

  11. Greg Siskind's Avatar
    >>Rasmussen is a reliable poller.
  12. Dream Act guy's Avatar
    Most people opposed the immigration bill because it was a compromise that no one liked. Even pro immigration groups didn't like major parts of the bill such as the merit based changes and the inability of guest workers to gain permanent residency. Plus, the immigration bill was tagged with "amnesty," which people are against. However, most Americans support a path to legalization:

    http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_cbstimes_08_immigration.php
    http://www.pollster.com/blogs/poll_abcpost_immigration.php

    Lastly, web polls are worthless and completely bunk because they're not scientific. I'll be glad to explain this point if asked.

    Oh one word of advice for CA and other anti immigrant zealots, please take a class on polling/public opinion and not just listen to talk radio.


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