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Greg Siskind on Immigration Law and Policy

"THE FREEDOM TO MARRY HAS LONG BEEN RECOGNIZED AS ONE OF THE VITAL PERSONAL RIGHTS ..

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"THE FREEDOM TO MARRY HAS LONG BEEN RECOGNIZED AS ONE OF THE VITAL PERSONAL RIGHTS ESSENTIAL TO THE ORDERLY PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS BY FREE MEN"

In a time not too long ago in this country, it was against the law for people of different races to marry. The Supreme Court threw out such statutes in the landmark case of
Loving v. Virginia, through out such statutes.



Today, a new effort is afoot to bar illegal aliens from marrying in the US as part of a shameful and punitive attempt to take away one of the most basic rights in our society. I was called today by a reporter in Oklahoma regarding an effort to pass such a law in her state and also noticed this story today on the same subject. How low can we go in trying to de-humanize this part of our society?

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  1. Jun's Avatar
    The real problem is if these statutes affect LEGAL residents as well....if the statutes require one to be an American Citizen before getting a marriage licence; then this law must be repealed...

    Another inhumane law would be proof of legal residence or citizenship before a medical or school benefits are awarded...
  2. PermanentSolution's Avatar
    Why not build huge camps with barbed wires and put us immigrants all in there, so we can meat pack, computer program, grow produce, make clothes and all the good things which the citizenry wants for CHEAP!!!. hmmm.... sounds like someone else did this before.... wonder who. The only thing missing would be the gas chambers. or maybe they can throw in a couple of those also... just for kicks.

    I am ashamed of the decision I made to immigrate here.
  3. TX's Avatar
    Jun, at least us immigrants should think past ourselves and not be like the rest of the anti-immigrant community. The real problem doesn't start once this start's affecting LEGAL residents as well, the problem starts when they stop from marrying any man and woman, legal or not, from marrying. Please, please, please, for the sake of us immigrants, yes, the legal ones do not let the anti-immigrants drive a wedge between the immigrant classes of legal vs. non-legal.

    The inhumane law of only allowing legal residents to attend public school was a law once, started in TX, but was striked by the supreme law because it was unconstitutional. I am 100% certain that this law being contemplated by OK will suffer the same fate.
  4. paul's Avatar
    This is probably one of those Tancredo-style lunatic ideas. It doesn't even make any sense, and there is no chance in hell this will ever pass or get looked at seriously. Just a common-sense check, what's to prevent those people to marry in Mexico?
  5. desi's Avatar
    TX, you're being delusional. Legal and illegal are not just two "different" classes of immigrants. What do you not understand in the meaning of 'illegal'? There is no way you can compare a legal Indian kid who came here, followed the rules, graduated with PhD from MIT, and worked years for research institutes and companies, waiting for years for the green card, to a Mexican guy who jumped the fence, stole somebody's SSN and identity, and began an off-the-books below-min-wage job at a meat processing plant.

    The problem is that the illegal law-breaker will get preference, because he has 10 generations of families who did the same, and some got amnesties, and they are a vocal majority. Legals are the minority, and nobody gives a rats *** about legals.

    Stop this nonsense about legals uniting with illegals to work for a common cause. This is against interests of illegals -- who care mostly about jumping in front of the line and using all possible family-based sponsorship mechanisms and visas. Illegals want more visas to sponsor their extended families and stuff. They'd rather push for a bill that allows their dog to sponsor them, than for a bill that awards hard-working educated people to immigrate based on merit. What's so difficult to understand? Do you really believe that educated legal immigrants with advanced degrees will go and start waving Mexican flags and shouting "Legalizacion ahora! No deportacion!"?
  6. PermanentSolution's Avatar
    Desi, on one hand Indian immigrants are climing "Gandhi's" name in flowery protest and at the same time not following his ideals. Gandhi first and foremost spoke for the downtrodden. The undocumented workers and their families are the most downtrodden here. How come indians when comes to issues impacting legals rise in the name of Gandhi while diametrically opposing measures to alleviate the downtrodden in this country. Looks like Gandhi is being invoked as a namesake, not in the trus spirit.
  7. Immigrant's Avatar
    Greg I am a legal immigrant, but strongly support this. I will call and write to senators on this. Its time for legal and undocumented "humans" and all other compassionate "humans" in USA to act on this and other immigration issues, and mobilize in a gandhi/ martin luther king style campaign of civil disobedience to alleviate this.
  8. KC's Avatar
    PERMANENTSOLUTION writes "How come indians when comes to issues impacting legals rise in the name of Gandhi while diametrically opposing measures to alleviate the downtrodden in this country. Looks like Gandhi is being invoked as a namesake, not in the trus spirit."


    Oooooooops.....that's the BIGGEST BALONEY I have seen around here. Stop the drivel.

    "INDIANS" who don't even have greencards don't have any rights whatsoever to advise US citizens on what they should do with the illegal immigrants. period. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE.

    Indians are protesting because :
    1. Hispanic vote bank politics is at play here and there is tremendous push and support from Democratic legialators to deliver huge benefits to illegals WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY

    2.Screwing the employment based legal immigrants big time.

    examples......In the just defeated CIR, visa numbers were going to set up in the milions for the illegals while 90k (!!!) was set aside to reduce the EB backlogs.


    "CIR" there was provision for Z-visa holders to have security clearance in 24 hours.....meanwhile in a random fashion all kinds of EB immigrants are stuck in "FBI name check" for years....


    the list is long. Stop your nonsense.
  9. Jun's Avatar
    for the sake of fairness, I believe there are some point in the argument that in the new CIR, illegals are given preference than legal immigrants.

    One particular example I can think of:

    5,000 USD application fee for ILLEGALS as PENALTY

    5,000 USD renewal fee for H1B to provide for budget

    Are they also penalizing H1B applicants? Where is the equity there? I do not wonder why others call it "AMNESTY" because it is not penalty at all.

  10. ch's Avatar
    well, regardless even if cir bill had passed the senate there was no way in hell it could pass the house
  11. paskal's Avatar
    How come indians when comes to issues impacting legals rise in the name of Gandhi while diametrically opposing measures to alleviate the downtrodden in this country.

    you seem to be ignoring the burning issue. legal immigration applicants, indians and others are sick and tired of being taken for granted. frustration has reached a boiling point. the opposition to this bill stems not from any sense of not wanting to provide relief to illegal kids, but from being denied the same relief despite doing everything by the book. the same senators that shed tears for DREAM, oppose even the tiniet relief measures for skilled workers. WHY??
  12. TX's Avatar
    Desi, please don't even start arguing about differences in legal vs. illegal immigrants. If you are an immigrant and educated as you claim to bet hen you would not even be making this argument. The anti-immigrant community has easily gotten to the likes of you and has divided the immigrant community as a whole. If you had any idea or knowledge of why we have an illegal immigration problem you will be siding with all immigrants legal or illegal. I would not even argue further, all I will say is that If India had a border with the US then more then 80% of the Indian population would have already jumped the fence, so don't even argue about Mexicans breaking a line. If you do your research you will find out that there isn't even a line for these low skilled Mexicans, which is why they crossed the border. Even though the U.S needs these low skilled immigrants it still doesn't create a legal way for these people to enter. Next time just think twice before you say anything negative any time of immigrant class, if tomorrow the US thinks it's had enough to the Indian Tech worker you will find yourself in the same boat as the Mexican. Wake up and unite as an Immigrant community otherwise every immigrant will lose, both legal and illegal.
  13. TX's Avatar
    Desi, please don't even start arguing about differences in legal vs. illegal immigrants. If you are an immigrant and educated as you claim to bet hen you would not even be making this argument. The anti-immigrant community has easily gotten to the likes of you and has divided the immigrant community as a whole. If you had any idea or knowledge of why we have an illegal immigration problem you will be siding with all immigrants legal or illegal. I would not even argue further, all I will say is that If India had a border with the US then more then 80% of the Indian population would have already jumped the fence, so don't even argue about Mexicans breaking a line. If you do your research you will find out that there isn't even a line for these low skilled Mexicans, which is why they crossed the border. Even though the U.S needs these low skilled immigrants it still doesn't create a legal way for these people to enter. Next time just think twice before you say anything negative any time of immigrant class, if tomorrow the US thinks it's had enough to the Indian Tech worker you will find yourself in the same boat as the Mexican. Wake up and unite as an Immigrant community otherwise every immigrant will lose, both legal and illegal.
  14. TX's Avatar
    Sorry about the double post, got an error the first time.
  15. desi's Avatar
    TX, uniting or not uniting the legal immigrants are going to get screwed anyway! They didn't have the luck to have a border with US, and don't have their whole family from ten generations back here to vote, and politicians to fight for its votes. Also what's there to unite for? The solutions that help legals are completely different from those for illegals. There has never been an amnesty that helped legal people waiting for many year for USCIS to move its bureaucrat asses and do something. And there's never been a company that hires high-skill labor that ever wanted to compete with lettuce-pickers for H-1 or Z visa (or whatever the letter of the day is).

    What is you argument, TX? "You don't understand. We should unite...blablabla". How is this an argument? What are the reasons and most importantly how is it going to happen? Give me specific examples if you care about making an argument and discussion.
  16. TX's Avatar
    Desi, the mere fact that we are also immigrants should be reason alone, regardless of how you came here or what status you have. Another reason for uniting is that the anti-immigrant law makers even consider us the legal immigrants the enemy, so regardless of which boat you are in you will be screwed. And about your question on there hasn't been an amnesty for legal people......all I can say is that you should go and read up on some history, in fact, you don't even have to go further back, read the recent CIR bill that failed. Did you know that it contained a provision which would have allowed those individuals that filed under the family category to immigrate here within the next few years? In some instances a wait of more then 30 years or even a lifetime was eliminated. Al though not technically an amnesty, I consider this an amnesty advance because some of these individuals would have found a way to come here illegally and not wait, and some of those individuals would have been "desi's" no doubt. Also, even people like you would have benefited because of a provision mandating that everyone waiting in line should get their GC in the next 8 years, before any illegal get any benefit. This means people from India or China that maybe have a PD of 2006 would have had a chance to get their GC faster, because from the looks of it some of us "desi's" with recent PD's will now have to wait even longer then 8 years. Regardless of all of this, my main reason for uniting as one immigrant community is so we can collectively have our voices heard and bring light to some of the major issues facing both the legal and illegal immigrants. Personally I take the humanitarian view of this whole argument......even tough I am legal, I feel for people who are not fortunate enough to get an education and work in a high paying job, at the end of the day we need the unskilled laborers as well, I doubt it that you will consider this country appealing if you had to pay $10 for a gallon of milk. But even if you don't want to take the humanitarian argument, then I can simply answer your question about why unite, the answer is in your first statement that you made....."Uniting or not uniting the legal immigrants are going to get screwed anyway! They didn't have the luck to have a border with US, and don't have their whole family from ten generations back here to vote, and politicians to fight for its votes." This should be your reason alone to unite and get behind the illegal immigrant lobby, because then it's only through their larger voice will you get your smaller voice heard.....again, my proof for this is the recent CIR bill that so many of the legal immigrants were against because just like everyone else, they made their conclusions listening to the likes of Lou Dobbs and not reading the bill itself.
  17. In Immigration Limbo's Avatar
    The so called "punishments" in CIR for illegals were a joke. It is like a judge imposing a $5000 fine on a car thief who stole a $100,000 Ferrari, while letting him/her keep the car!!

    I for one don't like using the immigration system as a tool for "social justice" for the downtrodden of the world, except for dealing with genuine asylum seekers. If the Dems think it is such a great and noble idea, be upfront about it and pass laws that would allow millions of the worlds poor to come here legally. Don't do it in a surreptitious manner by having a sieve-like border, and then giving amnesty at some later time. They should boldly state to the American people that they want to let millions of poor Mexicans into the country and then make that part of their election platform and see what the voters think. Why try to accomplish this in an underhanded manner?

    Having said that, I think we absolutely do need to help the downtrodden of the world through things like free trade, and encouraging democratic reforms. Aid that doesn't end up in the pockets of dictators, especially for things like education and infrastructure is great too. Having a generous guest worker program would be wonderful also.

    We can see the mess that has been created by the surreptitious approach. Make no bones about it, legal immigrants are suffering because of it.

  18. desi's Avatar
    TX, thanks for your answer but my question was more like how exactly are these two disparate groups of people going to unite? It is true that some of the legals can start petitioning and writing congress about comprehensive bills or relief to the legals (even though this is probably not necessary because they have organizations with multi-million dollar budgets to do exactly that), but what about the illegals? What are they going to do? Do you honestly believe they'll go on the street shouting for more H-1Bs or for more EB visas? Do you think the Hispanic Council, La Raza, La familia, and etc., are every going to care about the small minority that legal high-skilled workers are, and ever try to lobby for them?

    This is precisely my point. I'm not against uniting but I don't see how this can practically happen. Illegals have nothing to gain from us. We can arguably gain something (some small provisions tacked on huge bills for illegals like the CIR) if we join their movement, but ultimately, they don't care for us, and the solutions that are going to be implemented for them will never give us any advantage (because most proposed bills specifically target illegals).
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