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Experts Slam Trump Over Mass Deportation, Contempt for Rule of Law. Roger Algase

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Will Trump's latest claim that his immigration policies should not be called "mass deportation", and that he only plans to "get rid of a lot of bad dudes"..."humanely" and with a "big heart" be enough to overcome criticism that his "deportation task force proposal is authoritarian and just one more sign that he has no respect for America's constitution or the rume of law? See:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...s-deportations

Trump would have to make a very big change indeed in order to rebut criticism last month from former Massachusetts Republican governor and U.S. Holocaust Commission member William Weld,who is now running for VP on the Libertarian Party ticket, that Trump's plan to deport 11 or 12 million immigrants who are in the US without legal status bears comparison with the Nazi Kristallnacht persecution in 1938, when Jewish synagogues, stores and businesses were smashed all over Germany and tens of thousands of Jews were rounded up and sent to concentration camps, in what many historians regard as the beginning of Hitler's final extermination program

Here is am extract from Gov. Weld's interview with CNN's Jake Tapper on May 22:


TAPPER:"Let's talk about immigration. You've differed with Donald Trump sharply on this issue of mass deportation, his plan to deport the estimated 11 or 12 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. You told the New York Times about that plan: 'I can hear the glass crunching on Kristallnacht...when I hear that'...Is that a little strong, you think, to talk about the Holocausr?"

WELD: "No, no, I don't think so. I served five years on the U.S. Holocaust Commission...if we don't remember, we absolutely will forget. And you got to forget a lot of things to think it's a good idea to round up and deport [11] million people living peaceably, most of them working in America, in the middle of the night. No, not in the United States. China maybe, not in the United States."

See:

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/...kristallnacht/

Trump's mass deportation plan (whether he likes to use that term or not) is only the tip of the iceberg in terms of doubts that are being increasingly raised among conservatives (not only liberal Democrats and other Hillary Clinton supporters) about whether Trump would respect the rule of law and our Constitutional system of checks and balances if he were president.

See; The Guardian: Legal experts on Donald Trump: 'He lacks respect for basic norms' (June 18)

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...y-legal-issues

The Guardian writes:

"'My concern is that [Trump] lacks respect for basic norms', said Robert Smith, a former associate judge on the New York court of appeals who was appointed by ex-governor George Pataki, a Republican. 'He's a totally irresponsible egomaniac, and it should be no surprise he pays no attention to the law and other basic social norms...

Trump's notion of bringing back waterboarding also outrages [Judge] Smith, who says that the now-banned practice is tantamount to 'torture [which] violates American and international law.'".


The Guardian also quoted Judge Smith on Trump's proposed Muslim immigration ban:

"I think the idea of a religious test for immigration is un-American and appalling."

Trump i also receiving criticism from conservative lawyers for his proposal to "open up" the libel laws in order to stifle criticism of his policies. Te Guardian reports:

"'f you open up the libel laws, the first person who would be sued is Donald Trump,' said Richard Epstein, a law professor at the University of Chicago who is highly regarded in conservative legal circles. 'He makes false and malicious statements about public and private people...I regard him as semi-hysterical and self righteous [and] utterly unfit to be president of the United States.'"

In view of the above comments by a former Republican governor and U.S. Holocaust Commission member, as well as distinguished legal scholars, including those in Trump's own party, one also has to ask whether there would still be such a thing as free and open discussion of immigration policy (or any other issues) under a Trump presidency, or whether the voices of pro-immigration advocates would be stifled in a general climate of fear and intimidation if Donald Trump were to obtain control of the enormous powers of the highest office in the land.
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Roger Algase is a New York lawyer and a graduate of Harvard College and Harvard Law School. He has been helping mainly skilled and professional immigrants obtain work visas and green cards for more than 35 years.

Roger believes that when the basic human and civil rights of immigrants come under attack, the freedoms of all Americans, and our democracy itself, are put in danger. His email address is algaselex@gmail.com




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Updated 06-30-2016 at 07:34 PM by ImmigrationLawBlogs

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  1. Unregistered222's Avatar
    Poor low-information Roger. His old-age induced fixation on Trump keeping a steel grip on him

    By the way Roger, Trump is now in the lead over Clinton BWAHAHAHA

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch

    Do you really think whatever some kind of governor wannabe says really influences whatever people will vote? I say each illegal alien who drives drunk and kill an innocent child produces a huge number of votes for Trump. So, Roger, tell your illegal buddy buds stop drink and drive and rape and tell your mozlem buddy-buds to stop mass-murder infidels. That way you will certainly make Trump loose
  2. ImmigrationLawBlogs's Avatar
    Serious and rational comments in response to my posts on this site are always welcome, and will be responded to to the best of my ability.

    Roger Algase
    Attorney at Law
    Updated 06-30-2016 at 08:49 AM by ImmigrationLawBlogs
  3. Unregistered222's Avatar
    I thought Trump leading Hillary 43-39 in Rasmussen poll is pretty serious matter I guess these anti-Trump rhetoric from obscure nobodies does not hurt him at all


    Quote Originally Posted by ImmigrationLawBlogs
    Serious and rational comments in response to my posts on this site are always welcome, and will be responded to to the best of my ability.

    Roger Algase
    Attorney at Law
  4. Tombe's Avatar
    I have deleted this comment for the same reason explained immediately below.

    Roger Algase
    Attorney at Law
    Updated 07-01-2016 at 05:59 AM by ImmigrationLawBlogs
  5. Sappo's Avatar
    I have deleted this comment. As mentioned above, serious and rational posts are welcome. For people who are only interested in posting personal insults against other people commenting on this site, there are thousands of other sites to choose from.

    Roger Algase
    Attorney at Law
    Updated 07-01-2016 at 06:00 AM by ImmigrationLawBlogs
  6. Nolan Rappaport's Avatar
    Roger, put this business about mass deportations into proper perspective. If President Obama had not created the DACA and DAPA programs, Trump's mass deportation threat would have been as worthless as Hillary's promise to get comprehensive immigration reform enacted, which she appears to think can be done without making any real concessions to the political needs of the republicans. If a President Trump is able to conduct mass deportations on a multi-million alien basis, it will be President Obama's fault. He has put a target on the backs of the DACA and DAPA participants and made it extremely easy to shuttle them out of the country on a mass deportation basis. For details, see my article, "President Obama?s use of executive discretion could have unintended consequences if Donald Trump becomes our next president<" (March 7, 2016), http://www.ilw.com/articles/2016,0307-Rappaport.pdf
  7. ImmigrationLawBlogs's Avatar
    One of the first writers whom I ever read seriously as a young person, beginning when I was still in grade school, was George Orwell. His book 1984 has left a lasting influence on me, and his insights about how people, especially those in power, can twist reality on its head and turn plain facts into their absolute opposites have left an indelible mark on my thinking over the many decades that have passed since.

    Ever since Donald Trump began running for president, Orwell's warnings have become more and more relevant.

    Nolal is giving us an excellent example of Orwellian thinking in his above comment. We are comparing two political figures here, President Obama and Donald Trump.

    One of these political figures, President Obama, has launched two initialives, DACA and DAPA, which were intended to save as many as four million non-criminal, peaceful, hardworking immigrants from deportation.

    The president's initiatives, as well as his previous attempts to get immigration reform passed through legislative means, failed only because of intense and relentless legislative and judicial obstructionism by leaders of one of our two major parties, who did everything in their power, in Congress and in the courts, to frustrate and stymie any and all attempts to protect these people from deportation.

    The other political figure, Donald Trump, who is about to be nominated for president by the same party which is responsible for torpedoing President Obama's efforts to save these millions of people from deportation, has announced that he intends to deport every single one of the estimated 12 million deportable people in the US -and, according to at least some of his statements, their US citizen children as well!

    Only recently, Trump has modified that statement by saying that he is only going to "get rid of a lot of bad dudes". He hasn't said how many "bad dudes" he wants to "get rid of" but 12 million would not beyond the bounds of possibility.

    So who is Nolan blaming for mass deportation, if it takes place? Donald Trump, who is evidently itching to let loose his "deportation task force" storm troopers on millions of harmless people with midnight raids and "humane", "big-hearted" ethnic cleansing (more Orwellian terms) on an enormous, massive scale never seen before in America, or President Obama, who, yes, has deported far too many people already, who but has also been fighting tirelessly in Congress and in Court to save millions of others from deportation?

    Nolan blames the president who has been trying to save up to four million people from deportation for enabling mass deportation to take place (if it ever does), not the candidate who has in fact pledged to deport 12 million people as soon as he takes power!

    George Orwell lives on - at least in Nolan's universe.

    Roger Algase
    Attorney at Law
    Updated 06-30-2016 at 07:36 PM by ImmigrationLawBlogs
  8. Unregistered222's Avatar
    Deleted: See my above comment about posting personal insults against other people who may wish to comment on this site.

    Roger Algase
    Attorney at Law
    Updated 07-01-2016 at 06:47 AM by ImmigrationLawBlogs
  9. Unregistered222's Avatar
    Good ol' Roger....reading outdated conspiracy books at night and looking for Trump agents under his bed in the morning Lil'old piece of advice for you (no charge). You should alternate reading Orwell's "1984" with reading Zamyatin's "We" and Aldous Huxley's "Brave new world". That way, you will be looking for more people under your bed in the morning. Maybe Hillary and Trump at the same time

    Quote Originally Posted by ImmigrationLawBlogs
    One of the first writers whom I ever read seriously as a young person, beginning when I was still in grade school, was George Orwell. His book 1984 has left a lasting influence on me, and his insights about how people, especially those in power, can twist reality on its head and turn plain facts into their absolute opposites have left an indelible mark on my thinking over the many decades that have passed since.

    Ever since Donald Trump began running for president, Orwell's warnings have become more and more relevant.

    Nolal is giving us an excellent example of Orwellian thinking in his above comment. We are comparing two political figures here, President Obama and Donald Trump.

    One of these political figures, President Obama, has launched two initialives, DACA and DAPA, which were intended to save as many as four million non-criminal, peaceful, hardworking immigrants from deportation.

    The president's initiatives, as well as his previous attempts to get immigration reform passed through legislative means, failed only because of intense and relentless legislative and judicial obstructionism by leaders of one of our two major parties, who did everything in their power, in Congress and in the courts, to frustrate and stymie any and all attempts to protect these people from deportation.

    The other political figure, Donald Trump, who is about to be nominated for president by the same party which is responsible for torpedoing President Obama's efforts to save these millions of people from deportation, has announced that he intends to deport every single one of the estimated 12 million deportable people in the US -and, according to at least some of his statements, their US citizen children as well!

    Only recently, Trump has modified that statement by saying that he is only going to "get rid of a lot of bad dudes". He hasn't said how many "bad dudes" he wants to "get rid of" but 12 million would not beyond the bounds of possibility.

    So who is Nolan blaming for mass deportation, if it takes place? Donald Trump, who is evidently itching to let loose his "deportation task force" storm troopers on millions of harmless people with midnight raids and "humane", "big-hearted" ethnic cleansing (more Orwellian terms) on an enormous, massive scale never seen before in America, or President Obama, who, yes, has deported far too many people already, who but has also been fighting tirelessly in Congress and in Court to save millions of others from deportation?

    Nolan blames the president who has been trying to save up to four million people from deportation for enabling mass deportation to take place (if it ever does), not the candidate who has in fact pledged to deport 12 million people as soon as he takes power!

    George Orwell lives on - at least in Nolan's universe.

    Roger Algase
    Attorney at Law
  10. Nolan Rappaport's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ImmigrationLawBlogs
    So who is Nolan blaming for mass deportation, if it takes place? Donald Trump, who is evidently itching to let loose his "deportation task force" storm troopers on millions of harmless people with midnight raids and "humane", "big-hearted" ethnic cleansing (more Orwellian terms) on an enormous, massive scale never seen before in America, or President Obama, who, yes, has deported far too many people already, who but has also been fighting tirelessly in Congress and in Court to save millions of others from deportation?

    Nolan blames the president who has been trying to save up to four million people from deportation for enabling mass deportation to take place (if it ever does), not the candidate who has in fact pledged to deport 12 million people as soon as he takes power!

    Roger Algase
    Attorney at Law
    The possibility that an enforcement-minded president would use DACA to make mass deportations feasible was an unintended but foreseeable consequence. In fact, I warned that this could happen in an ILW.com article published on August 14, 2014, long before anyone thought Trump would be the republican candidate for the presidency. "http://discuss.ilw.com/content.php?3423-%20Article-Immigration-activists-are-pressing-President-Obama-to-halt-deportations-%20for-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-possible-This-is-a-%93be-careful-%20what-you-wish-for%94-situation-By-Nolan-Rappaport," http://discuss.ilw.com/content.php?3423-%20Article-Immigration-activists-are-pressing-President-Obama-to-halt-deportations-%20for-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-possible-This-is-a-%93be-careful-%20what-you-wish-for%94-situation-By-Nolan-Rappaport

    Roger read that article and acknowledged the warning. This is the comment he wrote to the article:

    ImmigrationLawBlogs - 08-14-2014, 09:57 PM Reply

    Nolan Rappaport clearly makes his point that unauthorized immigrants who rely on policies created by executive action without having been enacted into law by Congress have been, or will be, taking certain risks, which they need to be aware of. I fully agree with him.

    His description of the available choices also makes clear that for many, if not most, of these same immigrants, the half loaf of relying on executive action to avoid deportation is better than no loaf at all. Again, I agree with him.

    I believe that it was the comedian George Burns who supposedly said that he did not look forward to growing old, but it was still better than the alternative. One could say the same about DACA vs. no DACA.

    Roger Algase
    Attorney at Law
  11. Nolan Rappaport's Avatar
    Sorry, I pasted the link twice instead of pasting the article's title. This is the title, Immigration activists are pressing President Obama to halt deportations for as many undocumented immigrants as possible. This is a ?be-careful-what-you-wish-for? situation.
  12. ImmigrationLawBlogs's Avatar
    By way of clarification, the fact that I agreed with Nolan that a well intentioned action such as DACA/DAPA could be subject to misuse by a later administration desiring to use information collected under this benevolent program for an entirely different and malicious purpose, namely mass deportation on a scale that Stalin, Hitler or Pol Pot would have recognized but is antithetical to everything America stands for, does not make the creators of DACA/DAPA responsible for these consequences or relieve the would be perpetrators of mass ethnic cleansing from responsibility for their actions.

    As the former Republican member of the US Holocaust Commission quoted above said about Trump's proposed mass deportation:


    "I can hear the glass crunching on Kristallnacht..."

    If that ever happens in America, as it may very well under Donald Trump, the Frankenstein monster candidate created by 20 years of Republican legislative attempts to bring about or require mass deportation at a federal, state or even local level, don't blame President Obama, or his DACA?DACA initiative for that result.

    That would be truly Orwellian.

    Roger Algase
    Attorney at Law
    Updated 07-01-2016 at 05:20 AM by ImmigrationLawBlogs
  13. ImmigrationLawBlogs's Avatar
    Let me give another example of why Nolan's reasoning on DACA/DAPA is faulty, if not Orwellian.

    Suppose that Congress had passed Comprehensive Immigration Reform in 2013, and that it had not been frustrated and ultimately killed by many of the same right wing Republican leaders who are now (and not without justification) in effect calling their presumptive presidential candidate a fascist for proposing the mass deportation that they themselves have been advocating for at least the past 20 years. Then suppose that regulations had been drawn up to effectuate this Congressionally - enacted CIR legalization program. and millions of people had registered for benefits under it.

    Then suppose that next year, a Donald Trump administration, supported by clear Trump majorities in both Houses of Congress, passes a law retroactively revoking all work permits, green cards, or other legal authorization granted under CIR ("amnesty" as they would call it) and initiates mass deportation of everyone who registered for this entirely lawful, Constitutionally-enacted program. (Of course, this example assumes that Trump would ask Congress to pass such a law - rather than doing this by "emergency"decree, which might be far more likely).

    Certainly no rational person would argue that the authors of CIR were to blame for enabling this mass deportation, merely because the names of people who had registered for CIR benefits become available through that program to a later administration wishing to use those lists of names for an entirely different purpose.

    But Nolan is making essentially the same argument in his criticism of DACA/DAPA.

    Or let's use a more down-to earth example. Someone buys a car and later, after properly registering the car and buying required insurance, and possessing a valid driver's licence, gets drunk and runs over a young child, killing the child.

    Does that make the car manufacturer, the insurance company, or the agencies which issued the driver's licence or registration responsible for the child's death?

    Nolan's Orwellian argument about DACA/DAPA being responsible for any possible future mass deportation would in effect amount to answering "yes" to the above question.

    Roger Algase
    Attorney at Law
    Updated 07-01-2016 at 06:05 AM by ImmigrationLawBlogs
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