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February 27, 2013

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I think LNLW is mostly concerned about negative effects on white Europeans. Under all that high sounding banter, ultimately it's me first. Yes to "fairness" as long as me and mine get theirs first. I did read the thread. It was quite clear that while LNLW payed some lip service to ending country limits but backed off any solution that could actually pass. Sure we can wait for the holy grail of getting everyone a GC, but the fact is that option was completely untenable these last few years. I hope that has changed, but the extra years of waiting for those that have spent a decade here already cannot be justified by the "extra suffering" that ROW endures by waiting an extra year or so. Or as Paul and Limbo and co. would say, "their life plans would be shattered" by another year's wait. It it wasn't so deeply offensive, it would be funny. So continuing a deeply unfair policy is ok until those with the consequent privilege can be appropriately served? I think someone like LNLW that claims to take the high road on immigration really needs to rethink this whole idea. Either country quotas are wrong and they need to be ended or not. Can't have it both ways. You can fight IV's effort all you want, and I can't claim its perfect and without it's mis steps (who is?), but the fact is that without IV and 3012, the end of country quotas would not today be an established, widely accepted and bipartisan idea that appears in every version of immigration reform. It's not like LNLW, JoeF, Limbo, Paul and their ROW ilk were ever going to help promote it, given their built in advantage in the system. So when seen in the balance, I think IV achieved a very important objective to restore fairness and I hope we will see the results soon. By the way, while I am summarizing my knowledge of the "history" of this discussion, I noticed that LNLW staked some reputation on EB2 India being current by mid 2012 or so. Given that it has been in 2004 for quite a while now, perhaps time to eat some humble pie and reassess understanding of what's really happening with EB numbers? Yeah right! :-)

@LNLW

You can't have a legislative change without some group being effected. If we take your dictum, nothing would be done, ever.

Can you give a few examples of legislation that conformed to "do no harm"? Because no matter how innocuous or laudable a law is, there is always someone who gets negatively effected.

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Amused, you don't know the history well, please re-read. I never said it was OK, however, the proposed legislation was doing more harm than good. If you want to push for immigration legislation, you need to obey the principle of "do no harm to others", otherwise, it would lead to in-fighting, which will do no good for everyone. We saw the prime example.
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Going by "Do No harm to others" rule , Ending special treatment of Cubans will harm Cubans . Ending Lottery green cards to eliminate family and employment backlogs will harm prospective lottery winners.

Adding 11 to 20 million to legalization channels without USCIS being prepared to handle these many applications will harm all the other applicants.

Amused, you don't know the history well, please re-read. I never said it was OK, however, the proposed legislation was doing more harm than good. If you want to push for immigration legislation, you need to obey the principle of "do no harm to others", otherwise, it would lead to in-fighting, which will do no good for everyone. We saw the prime example.

But LNLW will also tell you that its ok to wait 10 years in line when those like you are walking into a green card in EB, despite applying after you - over nothing but your birth place! So much more consistency, can anyone spell hypocrisy? :-)

S, it was sarcasm. Yes, I think it is quite special to be able to qualify for inadmissibility waiver AND eligibility for a green card over nothing but your birthplace, especially, given that is almost impossible to qualify for either if you are a regular poor working grunt from any other country.

"You mean, now they would not be able to sneak into the country and automatically be eligible for a green card with virtually no conditions and little wait time? Ha-ha-ha!!!"

Don't you think it is special pathway ?

"Would Mr. Rubio end special pathway to citizenship for Cubans?"

You mean, now they would not be able to sneak into the country and automatically be eligible for a green card with virtually no conditions and little wait time? Ha-ha-ha!!!

The notion that legalized aliens would only be able to apply for LPR status through existing channels, as modified by other parts of the CIR bill, is not new; it has been around for years. The White House and key Democratic CIR champions will never, ever accept this, though.

Would Mr. Rubio end special pathway to citizenship for Cubans?

I didn't know that Republicans are smart enough to come up with such a brilliant plan. But then, Goodlatte is/was an immigration attorney. :)

I think that plan would be perfect if it is combined with a provision like..."if the federal government has successfully deployed a specific amount of resources on border security after X (X > 5) years, then all former undocumented immigrants' status would automatically be converted to a permanent resident status".

I never thought Goodlate was a racist or a bigot unlike the clowns are CIS or FAIR.

I do like the conventional approach for the fact that brings attention to how out of proportion low current quotes are - and the need to abolish them altogether for some categories. The second thing it will bring attention to is how out of this world difficult it is to qualify for any of the categories, and I am wishful this is changed, too. On the other side, being realistic, it will probably lead to a worse result for both those being legalized and future regular immigrants. It is also a less attractive option politically.

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